Originally Posted By Lisann22 I think Mr X and William's points are valid. I did not read it to mean if you are a member of this group and weren't traveling with them that you are to blame also - aye yi yi! He's talking about those present at the time. I've been places with a group and have had people within my group get out of hand. I've stepped up and told them to knock it off and made sure I disassociated myself from them. What's so hard to understand about that?
Originally Posted By Mickeyfan1 Thank you Lisann for you words. As a member of the NFFC it was hard to read some of these positngs as they seemed to take the stand that the entire NFFC is this way. Sometimes we get so passionate about things (especially Disney with this group and others) and fingers get flying on the keyboards. I know I have done that in the past. I can't begin to imagine what went wrong over there, but it sure sounds like something did. It is sad that sometimes the actions of just a few can reflect on an entire organization. Hopefully this will get worked out.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I think Mr X and William's points are valid. I did not read it to mean if you are a member of this group and weren't traveling with them that you are to blame also - aye yi yi! He's talking about those present at the time. << I never said all members of said group are guilty, just those present. Similiar to an incident we had last year in the military in Germany. A group of 6 guys went out and got drunk in Germany then decided that the ATM machine was broken because it was giving out Euros and not dollars. Two of them decided to beat down said ATM with a baseball bat while the other 4 watched. All 6 got maximum punishment because the 4 who watched did nothing to stop the 2 out of control. Same with this incident, if other members of the group were there and watched this behavior 1st hand, they have an obligation to prevent their fellow group mate from making a complete ass of themself, otherwise they are just as guilty as the person who acted like a fool to begin with.
Originally Posted By jnemo I have read the posts again and please understand my response was based on both threads on this topic. Yes, you are correct WilliamK99 never said the whole group but just those in attentance but in this post and the other one Mr. X stated many times, <If what I've learned about over the last two days is any indication, certain organized groups should, please, just stay home next time and not venture back to Japan. Nobody wants behavior such as this around here.> And I take this as the whole group is not welcome in his opinion. That is why I finally made my statment. I have no idea who is in Japan right now and have no say in what they do but just as LP has given is fans some chances at perks so does this organization. And if I was to ever get a chance to go to Japan it would more than likely be with a group like this, but then after all this maybe not.
