Originally Posted By ToonKirby >I've never seen anyone intoxicated at a Disney park.< I was just going to say the same thing, and I used to work in the parks and saw a lot. Now, PI is another story ...
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I've never seen anyone intoxicated at a Disney park. << I've only seen a small group of young men once that certainly seemed to be intoxicated. As you pointed out earlier Jim, the cost factor is one good reason to maintain your sobriety at WDW.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^^Pleasure Island. The night spot over in the Downtown Disney district in Walt Disney World.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...and is it really necesary for kids to see random people drunk as a skunk when theyre at disney world.< This subject comes up from time to time, and it's always a tough one. At the risk of putting words in your mouth, mickeyboy, it always seems to me that those on your side are speaking out of their predjudices against alcohol, and not from any standpoint of experience in the parks. I've been visiting the parks in CA and FL for many many years, and have only seen one (1) person who was too drunk to function. And that was in the Rose & Crown Pub in Epcot, where she was quietly escorted away by security. I've never once seen hordes of "drunk as a skunk" people running around and sloshing beer on people. It's just a complete factual error that anyone who drinks is by definition a drunk. I would never drink and drive, but I just completely love having a martini or 3 in the Rose & Crown, strolling outside to watch IllumiNations, and then enjoying a moonlight walk around the Lagoon. It's one of my favorite things to do on the planet, and it would be a lot harder to do if Disney ever changed their alcohol rules. I think any talk of banning or limiting alcohol in Disney parks is a solution in search of a problem. My opinion, of course - yours may vary!
Originally Posted By DLFAN1979 ""Phil Holmes will be next. The WalMarting of the MK has been noticed and he's gonna pay the piper good for that."" I too have heard the same things comming, but its wayyyyyyyyyyyy over due if its true. When Stitch crashed and burned that should have been it right there. That should have been his Cynthia moment. But, unfortunatly, he hung around long enough to unleash Pirate and Princess, Monsters, and Bibbido, Bobbdi Boo in the Castle. ""WDW's bloated, recycled exec team will be getting a much needed makeover ... "" Who cares about our Washingtonian management team? NOTHING will change till Rasulo and Goodman are GONE.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I'm not anti-drinking, I'm anti-smelling like someone else's drink. With the size of the crowds, no one should be walking around carrying open drinks. Sit and enjoy.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Who cares about our Washingtonian management team? NOTHING will change till Rasulo and Goodman are GONE. >> Take it to the bank that Jay Rasulo will not be head of parks and resorts next year at this time.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo That would be very welcome. A little birdie tells me that his lack of time at the TEA party was very much noticed, and the conference was one of his final acts to save face.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Dave, if you read Al Lutz's column yesterday, you'll find that Jay couldn't have even be bothered to spend time at his multi-million party for the travel POWWOW at DL a few weeks ago ... instead he hightailed over for a private dinner at Napa Rose. This is a man who feels he's too good for the parks, that they are below him somehow. Like he's such an intellectual ... It's scary that he was put in that position. More scary that this far into Bob Iger's tenure, the man still holds on to his position like a rattlesnake clenching its prey. But the mongoose is on the way ...
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Oh really, I've not read Al's article. Interesting. It's funny, I always found the best leaders to work for are the ones who occasionally walk the shop floor (when the press are not around). Walt Disney got it. Jack Linquest got it. Matt Ouimet got it. Funny how the current crop of park leaders don't seem to get it. True, you need to know how to balance a P&L, manage resources and all the other attributes of a manager. But to truly perform, especially in a Disney park, you need to know how to put on a show, demonstrate courtesy, be mindful of safety and be a real leader!
Originally Posted By leemac <<Dave, if you read Al Lutz's column yesterday, you'll find that Jay couldn't have even be bothered to spend time at his multi-million party for the travel POWWOW at DL a few weeks ago ... instead he hightailed over for a private dinner at Napa Rose.>> I haven't read the piece but I wouldn't believe everything you read. The factual inaccuracies are: 1) It isn't *his* event. The coup in bringing the event to Anaheim was Marketing and they ran with it. Jay was available as needed. So was Ed Grier who I saw throughout the day. 2) He met with the Board of Directors of the association that day and held several other break-out sessions at the Grand. He pressed the flesh as needed. 3) The doors of the private dining room at Napa were not closed and anyone who ate at the restaurant that evening could have clearly seen who his dinner guest was, see what they ate (and drank - a great bottle) and even saw the Lasseter Family wine pointed out as he left.
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 I completely understand people drinking at Pleasure Island, etc. But i dont think that it is a good idea for kids to see people in essence, killing their livers. Possibly restrict it to the personal rooms, PI, and other private or adult areas. HI Dan!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORGOCH: I sure as heck don't believe ev'rything I reads--'spec'ly when it comes from an old 'toady'
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <But i dont think that it is a good idea for kids to see people in essence, killing their livers.> What about all those obese people at the Disney Resorts -- eating all that popcorn and ice cream and churros -- killing thier waistlines -- should those people also be banished to their rooms for polluting the views of the young ones? [insert eye roll here]
Originally Posted By mickeyboy43 good point. darn. still... well, you got me there. i lose. but it just doesnt seem right that they should sell it at Disney. i dunno.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I haven't read the piece but I wouldn't believe everything you read. The factual inaccuracies are:>> I never believe everything I read ... unless I know the writer/source(s) personally <<1) It isn't *his* event. The coup in bringing the event to Anaheim was Marketing and they ran with it. Jay was available as needed. So was Ed Grier who I saw throughout the day.>> It is a HUGE event. The Oscars of the travel industry is a good analogy. Jay was the driving force in getting the event according to people I know. And while it's nice that you see Ed Grier whenever you want, it's very obvious that he is the invisible man of TDA. But I do agree with Al in that it doesn't really matter. Ed will be moving on in short order and the revolving door will continue. This is Disney's way with execs. <<2) He met with the Board of Directors of the association that day and held several other break-out sessions at the Grand. He pressed the flesh as needed.>> I wasn't there and can't comment. I can only comment on his general dislike and distaste for ever setting foot into a Disney park if it isn't for a very quick media opp. Perhaps he should go work for a company whose products and people he respects? <<3) The doors of the private dining room at Napa were not closed and anyone who ate at the restaurant that evening could have clearly seen who his dinner guest was, see what they ate (and drank - a great bottle) and even saw the Lasseter Family wine pointed out as he left.>> Well, if anyone could have seen, just who was his dinner guest?
Originally Posted By danyoung >But i dont think that it is a good idea for kids to see people in essence, killing their livers.< And there's that predjudice I was talking about. You seem to see everyone with a drink in his hand as someone who's "killing their livers", drinking to excess, and generally being a sloppy example to the kids. We Americans seem to have such an overprotective thing about kids and drinking, to the point that by the time a kid is a teen he's bursting with curiosity about alcohol, and has no training at all about how to handle it with respect. European kids drink wine with the family dinner, and it just isn't such a big thing as our culture has made it. Sure, I don't want a kid to experience a sloppy drunk slopping his drink and bodily fuids all over everyone within arm's reach. But that's an incredibly rare event in the Disney parks. Again, you have a solution in search of a problem. Nice chatting with you, though!
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <But i dont think that it is a good idea for kids to see people in essence, killing their livers.> I concur with danyoung in post 59. Not everyone who drinks is a sloppy drunk. Last night I had a single martini with my dinner - I don't think that qualifies me for the Liver Killer Society. Besides, medical studies have shown that one glass of red wine per day is actually good for your heart. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a litle alcohol now and then, and I don't think it's wrong to sell it at WDW, especially at Epcot. Beer, wine, etc., much like food, are staples of some cultures. There's nothing wrong with allowing adults to enjoy an alcoholic beverage. On my over 20 trips to WDW, I have yet to see a sloppy drunk in the parks, and I believe a sloppy drunk would immediately be escorted to the exits by Disney security.
