Originally Posted By danyoung >So Dan, are you saying a Savannah view is unnecessary to get a bird's eye view?< I guess I should have said that this thread COULD have stopped with post 88. Most of the stuff after that has been of the "you're wrong no I'm not you're a jerk no I'm not quit putting words into my mouth you don't know me at all" variety, and didn't seem to contribute much to the theme. I'm never one to tell anyone that they should stop posting, though - hey, you don't know me!!!
Originally Posted By danyoung OK, so the above doesn't make much sense. My post was in response to the comment "Then why are you still reading it?"
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> IT'S NOT BECAUSE WDW IS BETTER OR HAS MORE TO OFFER! << It certainly doesn't help when people looking from the East Coast to the west have a sense that the 5-year-old park next to Disneyland in Anaheim is more of a dud than a Tokyo DisneySea.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> It just makes me laugh to see how people try to bluster their way out of having to admit they were wrong back in 2001. << And based on this post from crapshoot, that's exactly the kind of response floating around out there: >>>>> From a recent conclusion concerning DCA stated by a upper manager at WDI: Quote: "DCA is not broken, it just can't succeed next to Disneyland." <<<<<
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Disneywatcher, I've read and re-read your post, I don't understand exactly what you point is. What am I missing in your quote of my earlier post? I thought I was being gracious about DCA.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>>Too bad those quotes don't say anything we haven't heard a 1000 times before, nor do they answer the original question of the implications of Braverman leaving Disney.<<< And you'll keep hearing the same arguments a billion times more... as long as DCA is substandard. Maybe after 20 more years, and countless millions of dollars spent to fix the joint and add innovative new attractions will this complaining stop and the heartburn over the place be relegated to the annals of history. But until that day comes, if ever... And as to Barry Braverman's departure??? Good bye and good riddance, as far as I'm concerned. And don't let the door smack your ### on your way out.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig No other Disney theme park had undergone WHOLESALE thematic replacement and enhancement work to large portions of their original areas like DCA is and will be. Yes, attractions, even whole new areas, were added, in parks like MGM and Animal Kingdom. But it's not like Disney realized that the original areas were substandard, or just plain ugly, and felt the need to rip the original stuff out, and redo it all from scratch. Most accounts agree that the enhancements recently done to the Hollywood section of DCA were just the tip of the iceberg. It is expected that the entire entry area and Sun Court will be scrubbed down to the dirt and re-themed. That's never happened to a Disney park before DCA. Subsequently, it is expected that retheming or upgrades will occur at Paradise Pier, the farm, and the San Francisco areas of the park. I don't expect that a mere change in paint colors will do much to improve the public's perception of these areas, so I think some serious enhancement will take place. That's never happened in any Disney park ever before. Sure, large additions have been made to previously undeveloped areas of the parks. But we tried that at DCA with Bugs Land and Tower of Terror and it didn't do anything to increase acceptance of the park by the public. I'm talking about IMPROVEMENTS to major EXISTING areas of DCA, and I can't stress that enough. Even Condor Flats may be entirely scrubbed thematically and be reprofiled as simply an extension of the Grizzly backwoods theme. That's unprecedented. Imagine doing that to any area in Disneyland, other than Tomorrowland, (which has always been a "work in progress", anyway, but at least, it's always been TOMORROWLAND!) Can there be any more convincing evidence that Disney knows that they really blew it on DCA? Disney may say that "the public doesn't 'get it' ". Disney may say that "DCA is not broken, it just can't succeed next to Disneyland." But their money is going into redesigning, and reconstruction with concrete and landscaping and steel and wood. Actions speak louder than words.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad What does any of this have to do with Barry? Didn't he come to WDW and revamp (what is now an extremely successful) Down Town Disney / Pleausre Island? Or who was that I can't remember.
Originally Posted By Nobody From post 167: "I'm talking about IMPROVEMENTS to major EXISTING areas of DCA, and I can't stress that enough. Even Condor Flats may be entirely scrubbed thematically and be reprofiled as simply an extension of the Grizzly backwoods theme. That's unprecedented. Imagine doing that to any area in Disneyland, other than Tomorrowland,..." That would almost be like taking the Indian Village and turning it into Bear Country. I'm just sayin'...
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>Can there be any more convincing evidence that Disney knows that they really blew it on DCA?<< How about a dark ride that was so bad that it closed in less than a year. And remaking it into an acceptable one took almost as long as the construction of the entire park originally. When has THAT ever happened in any of their other parks? >>That would almost be like taking the Indian Village and turning it into Bear Country. I'm just sayin'...<< First of all, changes made to the original Disneyland are more understandable because it was their first time ever building a theme park. Secondly, wasn't the Indian Village there for at least a decade before being made over into Bear Country? That's hardly the same thing. A few years ago, I talked on one of these boards about the "Soap Opera Bistro" being changed into a kiddie show. Someone came along (it was that person called "jonvn", whatever that's supposed to mean) and said that it was no different than the Tahitian Terrace being changed into Alladin's Oasis, which then became a "kiddie story telling" venue. To disregard the fact that Tahitian Terrace was in business for decades before being removed is really reaching. I'm glad we seem to have come to an agreement that this park is in bigger trouble than any park they've built in the past, and I'm glad the company has finally taken the first step, and admitted that they have a problem.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> I don't understand exactly what you point is....I thought I was being gracious about DCA. << Gracious to a fault perhaps, particularly when you state that Disney World has no more to offer than what's found in Anaheim. I think even the mayor of Anaheim or local chamber of commerce would hesitate a bit if they made a similar statement.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Maybe not Anaheim per se, but certainly southern California as a whole offers far more of interest than central Florida.
Originally Posted By Westsider True. But there are dozens of other cities and areas of the United States that offer more than central Florida. Without all of those theme parks and dinner shows on International Drive, central Florida would just be a swampy, working class flatland with slightly more panache than Spartanburg, South Carolina.
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