Originally Posted By Dabob2 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/08/breaking-bad-the-7-plot-points-you-need-to-remember-for-the-final-season.html">http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...son.html</a> Good primer to jog your memory to get you properly prepared for Sunday.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Can't wait for Sunday night. In fact, this weekend may be the first time in my life I've said "Man, this Saturday is going by so slowly, isn't it?"
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The Washington Post had a great headline for their piece on the final 8 episodes: The Last Walts.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 It's known that Bryan Cranston was on Seinfeld but here's a few others <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2012/08/breaking-bad-actors-seinfeld/">http://www.uproxx.com/webcultu...einfeld/</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.salon.com/2013/05/31/vince_gilligan_breaking_bad_spin_off_is_very_much_a_possibility/">http://www.salon.com/2013/05/3...ibility/</a> Yay! Please, please, please, please, please. I would so watch this.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Here's an Honest Trailer for Breaking Bad <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDqGAUvWKkU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...GAUvWKkU</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I couldn't get on the message boards most of today, and I was really looking forward to discussing this with 2oony and DD. hopefully tomorrow.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Well, that episode took off at full speed. I was surprised how quickly they dispensed with the cat and mouse between Hank and Walt -- I was kind of thinking the big confrontation wouldn't happen until perhaps the second to last episode. Dean Norris knocked it out of the park in that scene -- the sense of rage, betrayal, hurt, disbelief in his expressions, much of it wordlessly, matched the scene where Walt watched Jane die. I predict "Tread lightly" will be this generation's "Make my day." ; )
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Totally agree about Norris. He can even make the usually pedestrian and sometimes awful dialogue he's given on Under the Dome look good, which tells you how good he is... but the difference between looking good and looking great is good writing - even if there are no words! It's everything his character has been through to this point and he really was terrific here. I was also surprised that they had the confrontation in the first episode, but when I think about it, it makes sense... they have a lot of ground to cover between that point and the point in the flash-forward, and I'm interested as anything in how they get there; any more cat-and-mouse would have been kind of expected (indeed, we both expected it!) and BB is great at upending expectations. I said at the end of last season that they had a fantastic use of Squeeze's Up the Junction in the scene around the pool just before Hank goes to the can. "Up the Junction" is the British equivalent expression to "Up (the) creek without a paddle" - which is exactly where Walt will be after Hank's fateful trip to the bathroom, after Walt thinking he was all set and safe and out of the business. Then when Hank comes out of the bathroom, the background has another Squeeze song playing - If I Didn't Love You, I'd Hate You. First of all, props again for using Squeeze at all. Bigger props for the fact that if you're playing the Squeeze greatest hits album (which is the only album both songs are on), it would be just about the right amount of time elapsed between when Hank left and when he came back (and yes, I notice stuff like that). HUGE props for the song itself... it describes perfectly the relationship between Walt and Skyler, and especially now Walt and Hank... If I didn't love you - I'd hate you. We see Hank in the very process of turning from one to the other. Brilliant! (And in both cases, the songs were pretty low, so they weren't shoving it in our faces like a lot of shows would do.) So assuming Walt hightails it out of the garage, how does Hank deal with Jesse now? He always suspected Jesse was involved with the Heisenberg operation (if only as a dealer), and he may know from the tracking device, depending on when he planted it, that Walt has been to Jesse's place (to return the money Jesse left with Saul.) So does Walt warn Jesse? Does Hank arrest Jesse? Does Walt suggest - or even force - Jesse to come with him, wanting to keep him close? I don't know, and I like that. Lastly, my favorite line in the show: "Hello, Carol."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So assuming Walt hightails it out of the garage<< Internet meme: That awkward moment when you've just closed your garage door, punched your brother in law in the face after realizing he is a dangerous drug kingpin and he now has threatened you ominously.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 So DDMAN - I expected you to weigh in! Last night I re-watched the final scene (awesome acting) and also the scene with Walt and Jesse. Jesse lets Walt know that he doesn't believe him when he says Mike is still alive - since Mike would never allow the murder of "his guys" in prison to go unpunished and Walt wouldn't want to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life (Jesse once again revealed his innate intelligence by summing that up perfectly) - and then Walt says to Jesse "you have to believe me" that Mike is alive. At first I thought that was just a standard "you gotta believe me" plea... then I thought maybe Walt was worried that Jesse would be upset about Mike's death and take it out on Walt... then I realized that what Walt was really saying was that Jesse "had to" believe him because if he didn't, then an upset Jesse would be too much of a threat and Walt would have to kill Jesse. In other words - you need to at least "officially" believe this, because if you don't, I will have to kill you. And Walt really does have affection for Jesse and doesn't want to kill him... but if he felt he had to, he would.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>In other words - you need to at least "officially" believe this, because if you don't, I will have to kill you. And Walt really does have affection for Jesse and doesn't want to kill him... but if he felt he had to, he would.<< Yep, that's what I got from it too. It was an order, not a plea.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I was out if town last week so I didn't get to watch until now. My oh my did that escalate quickly. I thought Dean Norris did great on selling Hank's reaction to everything. One thing the show did well was Hank might be kind of a doofus socially he's really good at his job, I think that eats at him more. I wonder if "Mr Lambert" is going back to perhaps save somebody maybe Jesse or does Jesse die? The Hi Carol gag was great. If the Saul Goodman spinoff doesn't work, then give me a Skinny Pete and Badger show is a must.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Here's a question for the two of you. In the flash forward Walt goes back to the house for the ricin, I seem to think Walt is going to use it on himself, what say you?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 A distinct possibility. Obviously, that couldn't be till the last episode, and I would think they'll at least tease us with the idea of him using it on others before that, if indeed he does. I wonder how many episodes it will take to bring us up to the flash-forwards. Will it be just the last episode? The last two? Will all seven remaining episodes have a flash-forward or two so that we watch the parallel timelines all the way through?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Okay... another great episode. Very Skylar-centric. She had successive big scenes with Hank, Marie, and Walt. First, I loved the moment before the Skylar scenes where Hank opens the garage door, and he and Walt are staring at each other in a very "High Noon" sort of way (and BB has often played up the Western motifs.) Then, Hank proves to be quicker on the draw with his cell phone than Walt... it was great when Walt saw Hank talking on the phone and said to the guy at the car wash: "Who is Skylar talking to?" First of several great ratcheting-up-the-tension moments. I really didn't know how the Skylar/Hank scene in the diner would go, which was great. "How are the two of them going to play this? I wondered. Hank seemed to really think she must have been primarily a victim - certainly not as complicit as she actually was. He thought she didn't know until the day she walked into the pool (Marie confirmed this about Hank's thinking later). The idea that Skylar - flesh and blood to his wife - might have ALSO been a person he didn't really know, after just finding this out about Walt, seemed almost too much for him to process. So he figured she was manipulated (partially true!), frightened (definitely true) and maybe even abused (at least sort of true, if you remember those creepy sex scenes at the beginning of last season.) But he couldn't fathom the degree of her complicity. Skylar looked like she really didn't know how to play it at first - both because she didn't know how much Hank knew and because she was sorting through all her options as it was happening. The pivotal moment was when Hank brought out the recorder. At that moment she realized he didn't know - or at least couldn't prove - as much as she had thought. He NEEDED her. And so her position of strength was to not give him what he needed. Self-preservation also kicked in here. She needed a lawyer, and she knew it. If Hank hadn't brought out the recorder so soon, I feel like she actually might have flipped - it could have been an impulsive, weary-of-it-all response. Timing is everything. Beautifully played scene, by both actors. Then the scene with Skylar and Marie. Marie started the scene by also wanting to believe the best about her sister... but because she knows Skylar so much better than Hank does, she was able to "read" her and suss out much more quickly than he did just how deeply Skylar was involved, and for how much longer. I loved how she went back, and back, and back into the timeline and got to the point before Hank was shot and almost died... and then her fury kicked in. Then the scene with Skylar and Walt made it clear that - at least for now - it's Hank and Marie vs. Skylar and Walt: she's chosen Walt and is seeing their choices in a colder and more rational light than he is, at least in his weakened moments. Which means Hank is stymied for now in his desire to get to Walt via Skylar. But... can he get to Walt via Jesse? I love the fact that I ALSO don't know how THAT scene is going to go (and great place for the blackout), but I am literally rubbing my hands together -while still typing this, because I'm just that awesome - waiting for that scene next week. Jesse's been almost catatonic in his guilt feelings the last two weeks (I think he actually didn't have a single word of dialogue this week!); will Hank say something that sparks something in Jesse - either immediately, or somewhere down the road - to make him feel the same betrayal that Hank feels? Walt, after all, has treated no one worse or told more lies to anyone than Jesse. Or will Jesse clam up, remembering what Hank did to him, thus creating another dead end for Hank? I'm going to guess the former, but the latter would make sense too - I love that we don't know and that either would work. Lastly, amidst all the heaviness and betrayal, you have to love the "channeling Scrooge McDuck" scene, and the subsequent "close enough" comment from Walt after they drove the money back.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh, and DD... After last night's episode, my money – at least until I see next week's– is that the ricin is for Lydia. The machine gun is for Todd's uncle's gang, and the ricin is for Lydia. Of course, he could mean the ricin to be for Lydia, and then be backed into a corner so severely that he ends up taking it himself.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 That's what I think now. And Todd he'll shoot a kid in cold blood but he's very polite. And that was a very well structured scene Emotionally that was very tense last night(there was a reason I watched the Phineas and Ferb Marvel special after). Skylar was great first at the diner then Hank, then afterward with Marie. I can't wait for Hank to interrogate Jesse. Loved the Scrooge McDuck So far it's been a terrific season, really the only complaints I have is we only have six weeks left. And it bugs me that promo announcer will say next on AMC's Breaking Bad, as opposed to Nickelodeon's Breaking Bad. It's kind of like Lee Daniels the Butler who the heck is Lee Daniels
Originally Posted By Dabob2 He's the director. And I read that calling it that isn't as pretentious as it seems at first glance. There's a second film with a nearby release date called the Butler and the Studios made a mutual agreement to distinguish them by using that name.
