Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Doesn't sound like b.s. to me....." Of course you believe the puffery from the nomination speech, it's your job as a republican puppet. If she had such an exemplary record, where's the paper trail? Where's the record? What pioneering things has she actually done? Why didn't we hear about any of them? If you understood the legal profession, you'd know that while being the head of a bar association is certainly an honorable thing, it's hardly an immediate stepping stone to the United States Supreme Court. often it's merely a popularity contest. And it may be a nice bit on a resume to be a local judge, but in no way to the highest court in the land. To illustrate, within the last couple of years, a local L.A. County D.A. (a woman, as a matter of fact) was the head of the California State Bar. She's hoping, much more realistically, to become a local bench officer at some point. As for Reid, I'd say he suckered Bush, but good. And as for Gonzales, do we really expect him to say anything else? I was certain he'd be the next nominee after roberts, and after this unmitigated disaster, I expect he'll be the one now. At least he's got some qualifications behind him, among them being a former Texas Supreme Court justice.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Why did she submit and incomplete report? Did she know she was only a place holder, or that she was being used to make a point about executive privilege?
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Anyone who wished to linger over this is more than welcome. I just don't see the value in it." So the next time someone bashes Clinton or Kerry or some other similar thing I fully expect you to chime in and say there's no value to it, because one is out of office and the other never got there. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy This is hillarious. How is this a " disaster " for Bush? A disaster would have been the correct term if Miers would have bombed in the hearings. But Harriet Miers will be forgotten very quickly once the next nominee is announced. Get ready for the real deal this time. Janice Rogers Brown perhaps? Was she qualified?? Yes. You don't get to where she was in life by being an idiot as some like to portray her as. But was she the best choice Bush could have made after he promised his base someone in the mold of Scalia and Thomas?? No. So now Bush can take her withdrawl and claim that he tried to nominate a moderate, someone the other side might even like. Once that didn't work he has decided to do what he promised to do in the first place... nominate a conservative that the kooks from the left want to fillibuster.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You don't get to where she was in life by being an idiot as some like to portray her as.<< You like those straw men, don't you? Who ever said she was an idiot?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But Harriet Miers will be forgotten very quickly once the next nominee is announced<< You hope. >>So now Bush can take her withdrawl and claim that he tried to nominate a moderate, someone the other side might even like.<< So this was all in the plan? Wow, Rush must be spinnin' hard this morning. LOL!
Originally Posted By Spree Correct me if I am wrong; but wasn't it a leader of the Democratic Party that told Bush Meirs would be an acceptable choice to avoid a fight over Roberts as chief? Seems to me that Rove and company have outsmarted the Dems again..lol
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Seems to me that Rove and company have outsmarted the Dems again..lol<< Not at all. Reid played this one perfectly. He recommended Miers, a more moderate choice. And he knew the far right would be upset that one of their chosen few wasn't selected. Then the Democrats sat back and watched as the right destroyed her nomination and got angry at the President. Then the nomination was withdrawn with some spin about executive privilege when it really had more to do with the threat of a filibuster from some of the right-wing members of Congress. Now if the president comes back with a more reactionary nominee in obedience to the demands of the far right, the Democrats can say they could have supported the moderate Miers but they can't support the new far-right nominee now before them. They can make the argument that Bush withdrew Miers at the behest of the far right wing. Reid played this one perfectly.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Seems to me the democrats are not happy Miers withdrew her nomination. That says it all. They must know that now that this little conservative argument is over regarding Miers, they are going to have to face a nominee that the entire conservative base will get behind. When the entire conservative base is on the same page the demcrats and the liberals have no chance... they know this and see what is coming.
Originally Posted By Spree I don't see how Reid "played this one perfect". If the agreement was we(the dems) won't block Roberts if you(the President) promise to nominate Meirs next and the President fullfilled that agreement(he can't help if she withdraws) then how did Reid win if the President is now free to choose anyone he wants? The Conservatives will forgive all if the next nominee is a Proven Strict Constructionist and those low poll numbers that the media is so obsessed over will rise like a rocket.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<The Conservatives will forgive all if the next nominee is a Proven Strict Constructionist and those low poll numbers that the media is so obsessed over will rise like a rocket>> Exactly correct.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>"Reid played this one perfectly." Yup.<< Apparently the kool-ade is tasty on both sides of the aisle. (And NOT chiming in when someone is talking about Clinton or Kerry makes me a hypocrite? A hypocrite by ommission? Life is too short.)
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "If the agreement was we(the dems) won't block Roberts if you(the President) promise to nominate Meirs next and the President fullfilled that agreement(he can't help if she withdraws) then how did Reid win if the President is now free to choose anyone he wants?" Easy. Reid could publicly and even privately throw all his support behind Miers knowing she doesn't stand a snowball's chance with the whacked out extreme right, who would and surely did torpedo this nomination. A Scalia clone also stands a snowball's chance because the Republican moderates won't go for it. The Roberts nomination should be a blueprint for this next one. If it isn't, too bad for Bush. His hands will be full dealing with the Plame fiasco and he won't have Delay available to bully people, either. The extreme right needs to recognize that by doing in Miers themselves, who shouldn't have been nominated anyway, they've exposed how to create a schism in the party. And the overall party for them is effectively over.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder (And NOT chiming in when someone is talking about Clinton or Kerry makes me a hypocrite? A hypocrite by ommission? Life is too short.) Not my problem if you accept double standards for yourself. I've noted as it is, anyway.
Originally Posted By DlandDug This is all too dizzying for me. All I see is a badly fumbled nomination all around. But some here see a boldly planned and flawlessly executed operation to discredit the whole GOP. Simply dizzying.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I don't see Bush nominating another Roberts type or any other nominee that can be considered a " stealh " cnadidate. Bush almost HAS to nominate a far right conservative this time if he wants to have any chance of getting any support the next 3 years from his base. If the senate Republicans won't support this conservative nominee, then fine... we know who to run out of congress. Janice Rogers Brown come on!!!
Originally Posted By Spree ^Delay is a Senator now.........wow, where have I been? So basically Reid "won" because he created schism in the Republican Party? I would buy this if you could show me just what major group of Republicans are really, really upset that Meirs is gone.......... The fact is that if there was a schism it was between most Republicans against the White Hous. That gap will be closed if the President chooses someone like Thomas or Scalia. Even if the Dems put up a big fight. That will just unite the Conservatives more and Reid will have done the opposite of what you claim he was doing. Reid was played. When all is said and done the White House got Roberts confirmed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court without so much as a shot fired. That was the whole purpose for Meirs nomination and it was successful.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Reid was played. When all is said and done the White House got Roberts confirmed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court without so much as a shot fired. That was the whole purpose for Meirs nomination and it was successful." LOL. Talk about your dizzying theories, sheesh.
