Originally Posted By jonvn "You and a handful of liberals who dislike my opinions are hardly "everyone", " I'm hardly a liberal. And your opinions are not what are disliked, it's your dishonest lying behavior. You haven't engaged in "honest debate" here. So, there is no point in me entering into it with you. When you stop making up junk that is simply not true, then that'd be honest debate. You don't, so there isn't. Reply again please. You need to talk more about "honest debate." It's quite ironic coming from someone who can utter an honest word to save his life.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Shouldn't our Veep Cheney accuse our erstwhile allies of encouraging the strategy of our enemies" It's all spin. Black is white, up is down. These other countries are leaving because they recognize the nation has descended into a hopeless civil war. It's no longer anyone else's business to be there. They need to get on with their ethnic cleansing, and/or split the country up. Other than the oil, what difference does it make to us. None. We went in there stupidly trying to make people like us while dropping bombs on them. The thing to do was to go in, tell them we're taking their oil fields, and simply killed any and all who opposed us. Anything short of that and we get what we got. So, now what's going to happen is that we are going to eventually leave, the civil war will get messy, it will end, and we'll have whatever will happen. If we leave now, two years from now, or whenever. The only difference is the number of our soldiers (and contractors) who end up dead in the process. Over nothing.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo ">>>He is also a very nice guy on the couple of occassions I have met him.>>> I knew England was small and all but geez... I suppose you've had tea with the Queen, too?" I have met Princess Diana, Prince Phillip and Prince Charles. However, I was in the youth parliament, I studied International Relations at the same University that Prince Charles attended and I am a Senior Manager for a company that specialises in Government Services, so I spend a lot of time with politicians.
Originally Posted By Mr X Nice. You need to introduce me when I visit. By the way, Dave, I'm curious as to what the sentiment of the Brits is like with England planning to bail from Iraq...is there a lot of buzz about it? Positive? Negative?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo There has been a pretty popular Buzz about it. Most Brits thought it was wrong to go over there in the 1st place and there have been many demonstrations throughout.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You haven't engaged in "honest debate" here. So, there is no point in me entering into it with you. When you stop making up junk that is simply not true, then that'd be honest debate.> Again, you can make accusations, use pejoritives, and be dismissive all you want. I know the truth, and the truth is it's you who won't engage in honest debate. And your post 42 is mostly a bunch of unsupportable claims at odds with the facts. The rest is just pessimism.
Originally Posted By gadzuux You know guys ... We could have this same dialog without all of the vitriol. Let's make the points without the "I hate you lousy bastard" intonations. Or at least try.
Originally Posted By jonvn "We could have this same dialog without all of the vitriol." Not when one side continually makes up false statements about the other, thank you.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Not when one side continually makes up false statements about the other, thank you.> I got one statement wrong. You, on the other hand, constantly makes false statements against myself and other conservatives. But that's okay. I forgive you.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Who cares.> You do. If you didn't, you wouldn't make such a big deal about it.
Originally Posted By jonvn Short responses like this aren't a big deal. So, do are you claiming to be a holocaust denier or not?
Originally Posted By jonvn Yes, you keep denying it. I would have to say, though, that if there were nothing to it, you'd not be putting up such a fight about it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh If you say something that is incorrect, I will correct. I've explained this to you, but you don't seem to understand. I suppose actually reading fully what is written would cut into the time you've allotted for evading and insulting.
Originally Posted By sadimmock Perhaps it should be noted that Britain is deploying an extra 1400 troops to Afghanistan. This is roughly equal to the amount of men being withdrawn from Iraq (in the first wave). <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6396001.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_ politics/6396001.stm</a>
Originally Posted By jonvn "If you say something that is incorrect, I will correct it." Yes, we all can see how you keep saying you're not a holocaust denier.
Originally Posted By DlandJB How is this on topic? Can you at least start a separate thread on your topic and keep it all in one place instead of spilling into other topics like a drunken bar room brawl?
