Originally Posted By oc_dean LOL Speaking of a "Vancouver shoot for some of the homes on Caprica"........ Anyone know where the producers went for all those beautiful natural locations, toward the end of the final episode, that was suppose to Tanzania, Africa? There's no place in Southern CA that looks like that. ESPECIALLY with all the wild life. (Maybe Northern CA, near NAPA?) I wouldn't be surprised they did go to Africa for their "location" shots. I'd love to know.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Here's my guess .... Northern CA for all those grass lands. Then points in Africa for shots of all the wild-life. (Particularly when Adama was flying over a heard of wild life along the water's edge).
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I think that there is a very good chance that 500 years from now our descendents will still wear clothing similar to today's attire.*** Interesting. Even 200 years ago, the attire was markedly different for the most part..and that's even in the "Western" style that most of the world has now adopted (but not ALL of the world even today). 200 years ago in Japan, the attire was completely different than it is today, for example. What makes you think there won't be changes going forward?
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Originally Posted By fkurucz <<What makes you think there won't be changes going forward?>> Resistance to change and a global culture. Men's suits haven't changed much in almost 100 years. And blue jeans have been "in" since the 50's. I could see some changes in casual wear, but I wouldn't be surpised if denim was still fashionable hundreds of years from now.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I thought the ending was OK. It definately wasn't a "Happily Ever After Ending". Probably the thing that annoys me the most is invoking God into all this. If God was activily participating in this ( which apparently was the case ), then why go through the trouble of a holocast whiping out the Cylons and Colonists? Why didn't God just mess with a few space ships while they were "jumping" and bring them to the planet at the end of the series? If God can remake Starbuck, all her memories and rebuild a ship certainly God can make a couple malfunctions happen to bring colonists and cylons together on his chosen planet. I did however like Starbuck being an Angel, I pretty much figured that out at the begining of the season. The "wing" tattoo on her arm was a dead give away or a trubute to Aerosmith, your pick.
Originally Posted By fkurucz < If God was activily participating in this ( which apparently was the case ), then why go through the trouble of a holocast whiping out the Cylons and Colonists?>> A purification. A common theme. Think of the Israelites wandering 40 years before reaching the promised land.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I don't see it, but what ever. But lets follow your train of though, then why have them live in isolation when they take residence on Earth? In so many ways this ending was such a let down. And I simply don't understand have Baltar and Caprica at the end walking around modern name Earth and then showing robots. And the statements "this has all happened before and it will all happen again does begin to get tedious. It just seems that this is not the ending the writers wanted so they put something together in no time flat ( the director claimed the ending all came to him while taking a shower ). The last episode reminded me so much of the Butteryfly effect.. where it was all these "planted" things that God did that lead up to the crux of the whole show. As a viewer it just seems so stupid. Make you wonder why you bothered to watch 5 years of this show to have it end this way. I guess most of the episodes were just filler leading up to the let down ending. And what is it with Sci Fi shows that they can't end on a happy note? Why not just end it with Hera with Sharon and her Dad... why even show modern day Earth with Boltar and Caprica?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The way it ended I just think that either the majority of Sci Fi writers or viewers suffer from major depression. It is impossible for them to actually have a Happy Ending or end on a Happy note instead of making it look like its going to be impending doom for Humanity?
Originally Posted By fkurucz I was really worried that: 1) Earth #1 was our Earth 2) That they would all snuff it in the end. Since that didn't happen it was a "happy ending". They made peace and in may cases even married their sworn enemies and lived out their lives in an Eden like Earth. I did have trouble with the "lets toss technology and move back into the stone age" decision. After living on the edge for years I would think that the survivors would want some creature comforts. I know they did this to explain why we are less advanced today than they were. I guess I would have been happier with them founding Atlantis or Lemuria and then mysteriously disappearing later.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<But lets follow your train of though, then why have them live in isolation when they take residence on Earth?>> Think of it as a "Noah's Ark" story. A corrupt humanity is destroyed and the remnant gets to start over, with the twist of "new blood" (the Cylons) tossed in. The odds are that it will happen all over again, but maybe, just maybe, not this time. If I had been Adama I would have taken time to repair the fleet and search for other star systems to colonize. Spreading humanity across the galaxy as opposed to keeping it in one place (Earth or the 12 colonies) would be insurance to preserve humanity from extinction. That must be the Asimov in me speaking though. I suppose that it isn't fair to compare BSg to the Foundation stories.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I have to admit that I see a various plots and subplots from Sci Fi books, movies and shows, including The Foundation Series. Hasn't Sci Fi done enough already with the I Robot plot. Maybe I was just hoping for more from BSG and it just didn't materialize. Ah well!
Originally Posted By TheRedhead "I did have trouble with the "lets toss technology and move back into the stone age" decision. After living on the edge for years I would think that the survivors would want some creature comforts." I think the exact opposite. I feel like the show was an embrace of anti-technology. From the beginning, we see the group that survives a global 9-11 being the ones that stayed off the grid. Add in bullets instead of lasers and Men's Warehouse suits instead of kevlar jumpsuits (shot with a bumpy documentary-style shooting), and it kinda makes sense that the show would get back to very basic basics. In fact, I think it would seem completely hypocritical if they decided to build a hi-tech city, given how their butts got saved, as if they hadn't learned their lesson.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<In fact, I think it would seem completely hypocritical if they decided to build a hi-tech city, given how their butts got saved, as if they hadn't learned their lesson.>> But to chuck all technology and go back to the stone age? How about instead we just all promise not to delve in AI or Nukes?
Originally Posted By Indigo It's important to remember the theme of the show. Simply, "All This Has Happened Before, All This Will Happen Again." The Gods in BSG are more like Pagan Gods. They can create small changes in the pattern of life that they (or perhaps an even greater spirit) set forth at the beginning of time, but they can't make major changes. The hope of the Gods, as expressed by the Angels (Devine Beings, Aka Head Six and Head Baltar), is that this time humanity (which we now know is a cylon/human hybrid) can break the cycle and put an end to slavery (human or robot), race hatred (we are all one race just with different cultures (another theme of the show)), and war. When it comes down to it the show's creators are really optimistic we can succeed in changing the cycle. They just felt they had to go to a really dark place to make their point to the rest of us. In the end BSG really was about the characters first and sci-fi second. By staying true to that, they created the greatest Sci-Fi show ever. Now I'll make my pitch for Dollhouse. Joss Whedon, former Disney writer, has produced another amazing show with hard to tangle with themes (it shares the slavery theme with BSG) and great writing. Dollhouse got mistreated by the Network Execs at Fox, but go watch one or two of the first five episodes on Hulu then watch episodes 6 and 7 so you're up to date.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<In the end BSG really was about the characters first and sci-fi second. By staying true to that, they created the greatest Sci-Fi show ever>> I'm going to have to disagree. I found with GSG there were years of "filler". With many confusing subplots. Don't get me wrong I don't think it was awful. I just don't think it was the best. With the Star Wars series and with the multiple Startrek series, I think Sci Fi fans expect a lot. BGS doesn't always deliver. IMHO Babaloyn 5 was a much better "fresher" series.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I did have the opportunity to rewatch the final episode and I have decided that I approve. What swayed me was that "Earth" had prehistoric man on it. In other words there was already life here.... the survivors from BSG would contribue to the already existing civilization. Also at the end of the show the "angels" Baltar and Six go on to talk about the law of averages.... at some point your going to get it right.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom And again please don't get me wrong.. I thought that BSG was good for what it was... I just seem to come back to Babaloyn 5.... I thought the plot was so well done.
Originally Posted By TheRedhead "Now I'll make my pitch for Dollhouse" Amen. There is a slogan in our house: Trust Joss Whedon. We finally caught up with all the Dollhouse episodes this weekend, after letting them languish on tivo for too long. I dunno, there was something about the promos that didn't grab us at first, but boy howdy do we love this show!
Originally Posted By Mr X Apparently some very well known Americans are suffering withdrawls due to the conclusion of this amazing series! <a href="http://tinyurl.com/c9z7a6" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/c9z7a6</a>
