Originally Posted By yamabuki The Carthay Circle hub was designed to be off to the right side for a good reason -- the Imagineers didn't want Disneyland to be visible once you were inside the park. By keeping it to the right (behind the buildings) they can control the sightlines and prevent DL from popping up behind the bridge. This, along with many more details, were discussed at the D23 Expo's Buena Vista St. panel. The full presentation is on YouTube, or you can wait until LP.com uploads their own version here.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Finally, I wish there was something more interesting than a restaurant and bar in the theater. This is now going to be the new central wienie to the park, and people will naturally wonder what's inside?" Well, you know how imagineers put tributes to old attractions in new ones? This is a tribute to DCA of 2001, where every building housed either a shop or restaurant. See?
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<This is a tribute to DCA of 2001, where every building housed either a shop or restaurant.>> And even other buildings housed multi-media extravaganzas!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>You arrive as Walt did, and you are immediately assaulted by Hollywood featuring Jim Henson, Twilight Zone, and Pixar, just as Walt was.<< LOL!
Originally Posted By tashajilek This looks so cool, i cant wait. I like how in the article it said some people think Walt Disney is made up. I can see little kids thinking that, but are there adults that dumb that think hes make believe?
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle I agree I wish the theater had something else besides a restaurant inside of it. I liked the idea better when it was going to actually be a theater.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I certainly don't claim to be the smartest guy in the room. But seriously friends... People don't know that Walt Disney was a real person? Do they think that the word 'Disney' is an adjective? Or that 'Walt Disney' is like a fictional character? Or like Starbucks? Warner Brothers -- Harry, Albert, Sam and Jack were actually brothers who produced motion pictures. Warner Brothers. In the entertainment industry, Samuel Goldwyn and Louis B. Mayer are the namesakes in Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios. William Fox -- 20th Century Fox Ted Turner -- Turner Broadcasting And over the years, in America, those who founded or co-founded companies, seemed to throw their names into the company title. AUTOMOTIVE INDUSTRY Henry Ford Louis Chevrolet Walter Chrysler Karl Benz James and William Packard David Dunbar Buick COMPUTERS Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard Michael Dell TELE-COMMUNCATIONS Alexander Graham Bell RETAIL Frederick August Otto Schwarz Rowland Hussey Macy Joseph and Lyman Bloomingdale Sam Walton Bernard Kroger William Proctor and James Gamble Charles R. Walgreen Richard Sears and Alvah Roebuck Lucius Lowe John Kimberly and Charles Clark Max Kohl James Cash Penney Herbert Marcus and Carrie Marcus Neiman ELECTRICITY Thomas Edison John Wesley Emerson PHARMACEUTICAL Charles Pfizer Dr. Wallace C. Abbott Eli Lily Edward Robinson Squibb William Bristol and John Ripley Myers Robert, James and Edward Johnson CHEMICALS Herbert Henry Dow E. I. du Pont OIL INDUSTRY L.E. and Frank Phillips Leon Hess FINANCE AND BANKING J.P. Morgan Henry Wells and William Fargo Lucius Lowe Marcus Goldman Samuel Sachs Henry S. Morgan Harold Stanley Charles R. Schwab AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE William E. Boeing Howard Hughes James Smith McDonnell Donald Wills Douglas Glenn L. Martin Allan and Malcolm Loughead (later changed to Lockheed) Leroy Grumman RUBBER AND TIRES B.F. Goodrich Harvey Firestone Édouard and André Michelin TRANSPORTATION & EQUIPMENT John Hertz George M Pullman John Deere William Powell Lear Jr. FOOD & BEVERAGE John W. Tyson Philip Morris Frederick Miller George Hormel Will Keith Kellogg HOSPITALITY J. Willard Marriott And the list goes on....
Originally Posted By Sparrow I myself, have trouble believing there are people out there who think he's fake? Was the guy hosting "The Wonderful World of Disney" an anamatronic?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>People don't know that Walt Disney was a real person?<< Yes. That's another reason that the Disney family created the Walt Disney Family Museum. There was a survey done a few years ago, and it turns out a lot of young people think "Walt Disney" was a made-up name to give a certain faceless corporation a friendly personality. (Walt hasn't been hosting much of anything for the last 45 years.) As far as all those corporations that are named for their founders, bear in mind there are some that are, indeed, created whole cloth. Betty Crocker? Turns out she's a crock...!
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>FOOD & BEVERAGE John W. Tyson Philip Morris Frederick Miller George Hormel Will Keith Kellogg<< You missed Duncan Hines, Uncle Ben, and Aunt Jemima, all real people. Ronald McDonald, on the other hand...
Originally Posted By gadzuux I hear that Duncan Hines is an imposter. And that Aunt Jemima has a thing with Uncle Ben!
Originally Posted By HMButler79 As far back as 1980, during DLs 25th, people did not know Walt was real. Of course, now, that should be less considering you had a whole generation that grew up with Walt on TV for the last time on The Disney CHannel from 1983-2003.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Given how they seem to work a semi-related quote into every single press release these days, Walt is seeming more and more like a fictional character. I don't know what else they could do, short of plastering his likeness all over the place (which they are doing to an extent). Some of those people listed are pretty common knowledge (like Sam Walton), while others are less familiar (Mr Walgreen); I don't know if it's just a generation thing, or if certain companies have done more work to give their founders facetime, but there does seem to be distinction. Even companies like Johnson & Johnson, which I've always associated with genericly ambiguous 'real people', I couldn't name any of the namesakes (other than the last name). If Disney wants to keep association with Walt, they have every right to include him in their press releases. However, I feel like if they want to do it right, they should try to work in the same way as him, pushing the boundaries of what is possible and exceeding expectations. It seems that got lost somewhere along the way, and the business plan is to simply exploit existing content for all it's worth, rarely meeting expectations or providing anything groundbreaking.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Don't get me wrong, I love the inclusion of Walt Disney into California Adventure. The whole backstory of Walt coming to California in the early 20s -- totally makes sense.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA But I'm still surprised that people don't know Walt Disney is a real person. I'll bet they know that Colonel Sanders was a real person. Or do they?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros That one's a little trickier. Sanders is a real person, but not a real colonel. And I'd bet that most people think he is just as fictional as Ronald McDonald, the Hamburglar, or Grimmace. And of course, Wendy was a real person too (Dave Thomas's daughter - there's another well-known founder!), which just makes things that much more confusing. Between Mrs Butterworth, Orville Redenbacher, Mrs Paul, and Mr Six(among countless others) it can be tough to tell which people are real and which are fictional. Just because they talk in the commercials or are quoted in press releases doesn't mean anything. And whether people remember what the spokesperson/founder/icon actually does is another issue entirely.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I'll bet they know that Colonel Sanders was a real person.<< A few years ago there was an advertising campaign in which KFC employed an actor who played Colonel Sanders. It served to create the impression that the Colonel was a fictitious character. Then there are the absolutely real characters who seemed to be playing themselves. Cases in point: Orville Redenbacher and Frank Perdue...
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But I'm still surprised that people don't know Walt Disney is a real person." I'm not. Most people just aren't paying attention or don't care. A friend visited DLR a couple of weeks ago and when I talked to him about his trip I asked how Star Tours was and he looked at me perplexed and said, "Star Tours? What's that?" When I explained that it was a Star Wars themed simulator ride he said he didn't even know that DL had such a thing.
