Originally Posted By mele <<I can assure you that my Accord can easily handle any winter driving.>> Bully for you. avromark has the right to decide what sort of car he is most comfortable driving.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << Bully for you. avromark has the right to decide what sort of car he is most comfortable driving. >> I agree, and the rest of us have the right to drive any gas guzzler we want, so long as we pay for it. Still doesn't change the fact that we have enough oil in America to keep us going if only we would go get it. So the next time joe liberal tells us we need to stop our dependance on foreign oil, they need to tell us why they are against us getting our own oil.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I agree, and the rest of us have the right to drive any gas guzzler we want, so long as we pay for it. << And you will pay for it. And a lot of people have paid dearly for it. >>Still doesn't change the fact that we have enough oil in America to keep us going.<< But not for very long. I think we should save our oil for a rainy day while reducing consumption. There isn't a whole lot of oil being created these days - at least not very quickly. I think we're idiots for using up a limited resource faster than we need to. But then I guess I'm one of those liberals who think about something more than just myself.
Originally Posted By ADMIN <font color="#FF0000">Message removed by an administrator. <a href="MsgBoard-Rules.asp" target="_blank">Click here</a> for the LaughingPlace.com Community Standards.</font>
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Bully for you. avromark has the right to decide what sort of car he is most comfortable driving. >> Well of course he does, and I have never indicated otherwise. Avromark is giving great reasons why we need to expand out preexisting rail service. Trains are great for moving large groups of people from point A to point B. Did you know that Muir Woods never had polution when the train brought people there. As soon as the train was taken away and cars were allowed in/ out of Muir Woods then pollution came in. There are some good reasons to expand out mass transit system. Cars and trucks are not the answer to everything.
Originally Posted By Bob Benchley Post 37- I don't normally jump into the fray, as it were, but a reading of this post sems to make an attempt to insult as many people here as possible without actually naming any one of them. If memory serves, wasn't this poster warned and deleted numerous times resulting in a thread closure just the other day? I mention this only because it just gets so tiresome to read these types of things all the time. Mr. CCJ, please, please change your ways before you're banned from here.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad LOL Hey he's just giving his opinion.^^^ But about the origianl post...now wait about this quote... <<<So the next time joe liberal tells us we need to stop our dependance on foreign oil, they need to tell us why they are against us getting our own oil.>>> The reason we can't go get more oil from Alaska or from the National Parks is because you can't do anything that makes any sense. It's all about having your cake but you can't eat it. It might offend someone or maybe you will kill a few trees getting it. "Hey quit using that oil from over there, and don't drill any from under this tree I am hugging." That logic sounds reasonable. I am all FOR the ideal of not destroying our natural habitats and ecosystems, but someone please realize the dependancy on foreign oil isn't going to change, unless we drill our own oil, which we won't, or unless our dependancy on oil itself changes, and I cannot see that happening until its too late, until the oil runs out, and society collapses.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad ^^^....until then, where's the nearest gas pump, I gotta fill up my HUGE gas guzzlin' Urban Assault Vehicle.
Originally Posted By ADMIN <font color="#FF0000">Message removed by an administrator. <a href="MsgBoard-Rules.asp" target="_blank">Click here</a> for the LaughingPlace.com Community Standards.</font>
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>someone please realize the dependancy on foreign oil isn't going to change, unless we drill our own oil, which we won't, or unless our dependancy on oil itself changes, and I cannot see that happening until its too late, until the oil runs out, and society collapses.<< One way to reduce our dependency on oil is to raise fuel economy standards in our vehicles.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>What you will notice, even on this thread are people trying to force us out of our cars or into a different car than what we want to drive.<< Why not drive a big SUV that gets better fuel economy? Why not tell the auto makers to use the technology they already have to produce more efficient vehicles? How is that a bad thing?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy LOL DVC dad.. I see we are on the same train of thought. Technology is to the point now that we can pretty much drill where we want without huring the environment or the spotted slug. Also, how many oil rigs out in the gulf had massive oil spills when they got rocked by Cat. 5 hurricnaes?? Try ZERO. The enviro wackos are all hype and no solution just like the rest of their liberal buddies regarding pretty much every other issue.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>If I have enough money to drive the biggest ass car I want to drive then I should be allowed to do so. << No one is going to stop that. The government is just saying that that bigger car will have to get better fuel economy.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Beau, you have noticed that the reason I don't want to use up our oil is because I think it's short-sighted, haven't you? That I haven't mentioned the environmental impact of it?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Why not drive a big SUV that gets better fuel economy? Why not tell the auto makers to use the technology they already have to produce more efficient vehicles? How is that a bad thing?>> Why should anyone tell a private business what they have to do? What if the auto industry said screw you, I can't make any money with these new regulations and we are now going to shut down. Hmmmm Of course I want a car that gets good mileage. I also want a car that is strong enough to handle a crash into a hybid go cart. Since people will buy cars that get good milage, the auto makers will produce those cars without the government telling them they have to do it or else. I want some lib to go create their own new car that gets 200 MPG or else shut up. LOL
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Beau, you have noticed that the reason I don't want to use up our oil is because I think it's short-sighted, haven't you? That I haven't mentioned the environmental impact of it?>> OK, so your for drilling off the coasts, in Alaska and some Western States then? While I am on a roll, you must be for invading Iran. LOL
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Why should anyone tell a private business what they have to do?<< Because they are bound by the laws of this country like everyone else. >>What if the auto industry said screw you, I can't make any money with these new regulations and we are now going to shut down. Hmmmm<< There will still be a demand for cars and SUVs, so the other smarter more efficient companies will come in to fill the void. That's the beauty of a market economy. >>Of course I want a car that gets good mileage. I also want a car that is strong enough to handle a crash into a hybid go cart.<< And with the new standards you'll have both. >>Since people will buy cars that get good milage, the auto makers will produce those cars without the government telling them they have to do it or else.<< Then why aren't they?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>OK, so your for drilling off the coasts, in Alaska and some Western States then?<< Let's use up their oil first. Then if we need to, we can use up our own.
Originally Posted By ADMIN <font color="#FF0000">Message removed by an administrator. <a href="MsgBoard-Rules.asp" target="_blank">Click here</a> for the LaughingPlace.com Community Standards.</font>
Originally Posted By mrichmondj What is laughable about the Bush administrations new fuel economy standards is that they are essentially only calling for fuel emissions that the auto manufacturers had already planned 5 years from now. All of the American automobile manufacturers (including Chrysler, which I know is German) had already planned to introduce hybrid transmissions and displacement on demand technology in their SUVs in the next several years. GMs first models show up next year. The fuel economy gains aren't great, but won't have much difficulty meeting the 10% goal. It's like the Bush administration went out an asked their cronies in the automobile industry what the lowest bar they could possibly achieve in terms of fuel economy -- and then set it a notch lower. Not much of a challenge or a goal at all. I have had the wonderful experience during the past two weeks of riding the bus to and from work every day. I am currently undergoing training at a weapons training facility in North Carolina, and the Navy is shuttling me and my classmates to and from the location every day. For years, I have looked for a way to use mass transit to commute to work -- but the mass transit system in my city is completely useless to get me to work on time or back home in the evening. So, I have to settle for my own vehicle and the daily run up and down the congested interstate. I've learned in the past 2 weeks that I really enjoy riding the bus to work -- it is convenient, much more economical for me that driving my car, and I can get a lot of work done during the commute. If only our cities had more progressive mass transit solutions that would allow more people to take advantage of alternatives to the automobile for local transportation, that would make a bigger contribution to fuel economy than meager emissions reductions for automobiles.
