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Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Drinking a 32 oz. soda before heading through the Grapevine is just asking for trouble.
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Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<In other words, you don't know.>> <And neither do you. There are experts saying different things. I'm honest enough to admit I don't know who is right.> The difference, of course, is that I've posted my experts showing why they believe what they do, and thus why I believe them. You have provided... oh yeah, still nothing. <<That's true for oil that is more expensive to extract than traditional drilling, i.e. oil sands and things like that.>> <It's true for all oil. Listen, I grew up around oil wells, and I know what I'm talking about.> Clearly you do not, or at least are not comparing apples to apples. It's true that if it costs X to extract the oil and one can sell it for Y, and Y is larger than X, then it is economically feasible to extract, but if it costs Z to extract and Z is larger than X, then it does not. This has been the problem with the oil sands; it has cost more to extract than can be realized by selling, but with the price of oil rising, this is changing. But ANWR is not that sort of situation. This is conventional drilling. It is not radically different in kind than drilling elsewhere. <<They pay taxes on oil they get from foreign sources when they sell it too.>> <High prices for foreign crude oil is an expense, not a profit.> But they still make a profit on it. And we do not. If ANWR was a larger reserve than it is, it would be a harder question. But it's not all that large. We'd save a lot more oil, and save the average family MUCH more money, by subsidizing HHO engines.
Originally Posted By DAR <<My name is Wyatt.. from Loomis Calif.>> So Oregon kicked out their one conservative? <<I work at Red Robin.>> We just had a Red Robin open up a year ago. Food's pretty good.
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Originally Posted By Dabob2 You're not fooling anyone, Beau. Your style is as recognizable as that granny person, if not quite as coherent.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The difference, of course, is that I've posted my experts showing why they believe what they do, and thus why I believe them.> yay for you. Which really only shows that you have more time to do google searches than me. <Clearly you do not, or at least are not comparing apples to apples.> How can that be clear when it's not true? For almost any oil well, the initial draw is easier than the last. Back in the 30's the eastern side of the Coastal Range of California was crawling with thriving oil towns. As the fifties and sixties came around, it became more and more expensive to pull oil out of these wells, so production went down, and the towns declined. When oil got more expensive in the 70's, it became worth it to draw again, and the towns revitalized, then declined again in the 90's when the price went down. I know this because I lived in one of them for many years, and still know people there. <If ANWR was a larger reserve than it is, it would be a harder question.> It's large enough. The economic benefits far ourweigh the environmental problems.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>yay for you. Which really only shows that you have more time to do google searches than me.<< Weakest. Response. Ever. In the time it takes you to type "No, it isn't" a few times, you, too, could do a Google search. It's really not time consuming. Try the Google sometime. It's Googly-rific!â„¢
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<The difference, of course, is that I've posted my experts showing why they believe what they do, and thus why I believe them.>> <yay for you. Which really only shows that you have more time to do google searches than me.> Weakest. Response. Ever. (thank you, 2oony). <<Clearly you do not, or at least are not comparing apples to apples.>> <How can that be clear when it's not true? For almost any oil well, the initial draw is easier than the last. Back in the 30's the eastern side of the Coastal Range of California was crawling with thriving oil towns. As the fifties and sixties came around, it became more and more expensive to pull oil out of these wells, so production went down, and the towns declined. When oil got more expensive in the 70's, it became worth it to draw again, and the towns revitalized, then declined again in the 90's when the price went down. I know this because I lived in one of them for many years, and still know people there.> Since ANWR has not been drilled yet, now we're on to apples and oranges. <<If ANWR was a larger reserve than it is, it would be a harder question.>> <It's large enough. The economic benefits far ourweigh the environmental problems.> No, they do not. And you have not shown why they would be, only asserted such.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Try the Google sometime. It's Googly-rific!â„¢<< I like the googles on the internets. Or, if you want to use its more technical name, the interweb.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <In the time it takes you to type "No, it isn't" a few times, you, too, could do a Google search. It's really not time consuming.> No, what takes time is reading through all of them to find the one that is relevant. And to what end? At this point it's all peoples opinions, and it's not like Dabob is going to say, "Oh, yes, that expert's opinion is much more valuable than mine". If he wanted to read contrary opinions, he can find them as easily I can.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Since ANWR has not been drilled yet, now we're on to apples and oranges.> No, I'm comparing conventional wells to conventional wells.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>No, what takes time is reading through all of them to find the one that is relevant. And to what end?<< Yes, it's far more productive your way. If it isn't worth the time to you, why even continue the debate? >>it's not like Dabob is going to say, "Oh, yes, that expert's opinion is much more valuable than mine"<< No, but he'll probably have experts that counter your experts. That's okay, that's how these things go. You provide some evidence, he provides some evidence, people make up their mind which one makes more sense.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <If it isn't worth the time to you, why even continue the debate?> You're right. It's not worth it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Since ANWR has not been drilled yet, now we're on to apples and oranges.>> <No, I'm comparing conventional wells to conventional wells. > So were the people who authored my links who concluded that drilling ANWR would have precious little effect on gas prices.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <You provide some evidence, he provides some evidence, people make up their mind which one makes more sense.> Yeah, what a concept! Hey, I agreed with you there - am I off your list now?? Or is the taste of the Red Robin's you didn't get still too fresh in your mouth?
