Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder But let's discount WilliamK99, who has come on here repeatedly over the last several months to voice his displeasure.
Originally Posted By ecdc STPH, what would he know. He is, after all, in the military and in Iraq. Only those living in Portland who are able to listen to Rush, Hannity, and Coulter on a regular basis are truly informed.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<If Beaumandy's sources are current military, they're not allowed to say anyting but happy-happy, nice-nice about our spoiled CIC.>> Sorry, this is another liberal myth to try and deflect the fact that the military hates liberals and thinks they are traitors in many cases. If Bush is soooooo bad, then why did over 80% of the military vote Bush in their PRIVATE voting booths? As soon as liberals wake up to the fact that they are more interested in politics than winning the war on terror and supporting the military, the sooner they can quit acting like they are also patriotic, because they are not. You talk to military people one on one and they will tell you exactly how they feel. They sure told me how they felt about Bubba Clinton when he was president and he was trashing the military and getting oral sex from fat chicks.
Originally Posted By cmpaley That's why it's the "liberals" who are cutting veterans benefits and chargine returning war veterans for medical care of the wounds received in battle. That's why the "liberals" are sending our soldiers into battle with insufficient equipment while saying, "you go with the military you have." Mmmm'kay, then.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Agreed (and sarcasm noted). It was tasteless of bush to "use" veteran's day for a political speech demonizing his opponents, while at the same time (yes) lying about all of the veteran's benefits that he's personally responsible for, while at the same time quietly reducing those benefits. The man has no shame - none.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <That's why it's the "liberals" who are cutting veterans benefits and chargine returning war veterans for medical care of the wounds received in battle.> I don't believe anyone is doing that. <That's why the "liberals" are sending our soldiers into battle with insufficient equipment while saying, "you go with the military you have."> We have the best equipped military in the world, but nobody can anticipate every contingency.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< If Bush is soooooo bad, then why did over 80% of the military vote Bush in their PRIVATE voting booths? >>> That's an interesting statistic. The flip side of this is that almost 20% of the military voted for someone other than Bush. That's almost 1 out of 5 soldiers voting against him. That seems like a pretty significant figure to me, and explains a lot of things. We've been led to believe that soldiers that are against Bush or our official national policy are few and far between as if they were down in the 1%-2% noise level. But it's almost 20% by your figure.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> I don't believe anyone is doing that. << Maybe you'd like to read what the 'commander and chief' of the VFW has to say ... <a href="http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.newsDtl&did=1576" target="_blank">http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?f a=news.newsDtl&did=1576</a> "This deplorable budget will do nothing to alleviate the many thousands of veterans who are waiting six months or more for basic health care appointments with VA. Instead, the budget seeks to drive veterans from the system by realigning funding, charging enrollment fees for access and more than doubling the prescription drug copayment. This is inexcusable, especially when no member of this administration or Congress would wait this long for their health care. "What the administration is proposing for veterans is a shell game. Veterans are being asked to pay for their own health care to make up for shortages in the budget. We are adamantly opposed to charging veterans an enrollment fee and we are opposed to increasing payments that veterans make for prescriptions and for other health care services, especially when millions of this nation's veterans are already locked out of the system," Banas said. "To ask this nation's veterans to subsidize their health care is outrageous. They have already paid for their health care with their sweat and with their blood. << In reference to the specifics of charging wounded soldiers in hospitals ... <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/01/27/walter_reed/index_np.html" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/news/feat ure/2005/01/27/walter_reed/index_np.html</a> >> Insult to injury Some wounded soldiers back from Iraq are having to pay for meals at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Veterans' groups say it's another symptom of fighting a costly war on the cheap. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Mark Benjamin Jan. 27, 2005 | WASHINGTON -- Most patients at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington have a lot on their minds: the war they just fought, the injuries they came home with, the future that lies ahead. The last thing a wounded soldier needs to worry about is where the next meal is coming from. But for hundreds of Walter Reed patients, that's a real concern. Starting this month, the Army has started making some wounded soldiers pay for the food they eat at the hospital.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Maybe you'd like to read what the 'commander and chief' of the VFW has to say> Yes, let's: a proposed "1.8% increase in veterans' medical care funding" is not a cut.
Originally Posted By cmpaley For our VETERANS, who the rabid-right wingers claim to cherish and honor, a scant 1.8% increase to a program that is SADLY lacking is an insult! These men and women have put their EVERYTHING on the line for our country and our freedom and they deserve only the BEST medical care at no cost to them. Who is calling for putting more into the VA to provide better services to the Veterans? Oh, yeah. The "liberals" who hate the military and the veterans. Give me a freakin' break!
Originally Posted By Beaumandy The liberals are using the VA situation as a political ploy and nothing more. These same liberals want to ban the military from college campuses. Again... if Bush was so bad, the VAST majority of people in the military would not have voted for him. Who would the democrats put in the place of Bush RIGHT NOW that the military would support as much? Go..
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <For our VETERANS, who the rabid-right wingers claim to cherish and honor, a scant 1.8% increase to a program that is SADLY lacking is an insult!> It does sound that way, but listening to (or believing) only one side of an argument often gives a skewed impression. I doubt the VFW ever complains that veterans are receiving too much funding.
Originally Posted By cmpaley That a veteran has to wait at all for care for injuries sustained in battle is a crime. That the appointments are months out is a crime. That our heroes have to pay for their prescriptions for injuries sustained defending our country is a crime. THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <That a veteran has to wait at all for care for injuries sustained in battle is a crime. That the appointments are months out is a crime. That our heroes have to pay for their prescriptions for injuries sustained defending our country is a crime.> That the world isn't perfect is a crime. Our care for veterans is good and is getting better, not worse.
Originally Posted By cmpaley "Good and getting better" isn't sufficient for our heroes. They deserve the BEST.
