Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Once again, the usual suspects show they can't tell the difference between opinion and fact.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << My employer could care less if my first few years of college my GPA was slightly higher than Bluto Blutarsky. >> I just interviewed with an employer that had GPA limits on who they would allow to interview. I know a couple of guys who were very upset that they weren't allowed to interview. Apparently, there are some organizations that value scholastic achievement. It's seems pretty irrational to me that we would "care less" about a presidential candidate's aptitute to think, retain information, or perform competitively in a scholastic environment.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Once again, the usual suspects show they can't tell the difference between opinion and fact.<< Mmm hmm. How you coming on the SAT score search there, Mr. I Got No Time?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Douglas was of the OPINION that Bush had higher SAT scores than Gore. The FACT is, he did not. How was that?
Originally Posted By DAR <<I just interviewed with an employer that had GPA limits on who they would allow to interview. I know a couple of guys who were very upset that they weren't allowed to interview. Apparently, there are some organizations that value scholastic achievement.>> Well I already went throught that. But I've been out of college for about ten years now. They're more concerned about my job performance now. They don't care what I did in 1997. <<It's seems pretty irrational to me that we would "care less" about a presidential candidate's aptitute to think, retain information, or perform competitively in a scholastic environment.>> No I care about what this President is or isn't doing right now. I want know what he's going to be doing tomorrow. I don't care what he or any politician did in the past. That's the past you can't change it. I don't know how much more I need to explain it for you.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << But I've been out of college for about ten years now. >> Me, too. 12 years actually. And I'm still interviewing with people that care how I performed in school. << That's the past you can't change it. >> Ever hear the phrase you can't teach an old dog new tricks? Can you make a stupid person smart just by electing them president?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <So, when the next president who is a democrat gets bashed here, you're going to be right there to defend them, right?< left I think !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Well, that would be honorable. I was rather horrified at how Bill Clinton was constantly pilloried for basically nothing. I hope you were just as supportive of him as you are of Bush in this regard< I always had little issue with what he did ( not like the first person in the White House enjoying themselves ) - I always did have a problem that he felt he had to lie to us about it. For me it brought back memories of Nixon looking into the camera and lying -- and before that whole debate gets started - yes Nixons' act were worse - but the flat out lying part was exactly the same. I thought it hurt his credibility a lot. And no he shouldn't have been impeached for it or even the lying -- just was a silly thing to do when today nothing is secret.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Douglas was of the OPINION that Bush had higher SAT scores than Gore. The FACT is, he did not. How was that?> Douglas is still of the opinion that President Bush had a better GPA than Mr Gore, and a better SAT and GPA than Sen Kerry. The FACT is, you can't present any evidence to counter that opinion, so have spent the last few pages trying to get me to PROVE a FACT I never asserted.
Originally Posted By Mr X **I always did have a problem that he felt he had to lie to us about it.** Well obviously he was protecting himself from embarrassment...what man in that position wouldn't? If he wouldn't tell his family the truth (and make a fool of his wife in the process, apparently), I hardly think he would have been worried about "coming clean" to the rest of the world unless he had to. The fact that he had to was pathetic though, nothing but a political witchhunt.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>The FACT is, you can't present any evidence to counter that opinion, so have spent the last few pages trying to get me to PROVE a FACT I never asserted.<< LOL! It doesn't work that way, as has been explained to you countless times. The fact is, you can't back up your opinion with anything beyond wishful thinking, or you would have. So what else is new? Here we see that absent facts, you'll go ahead and form an opinion anyway. It's required of fans of this administration such as yourself to do just that. It's all very faith-based and etherial.
Originally Posted By ecdc Douglas really needs to retake Reasoning 101. One can have the opinion that the Iraq war is going great. It's an opinion given the multiple ways one might define "great," etc. However, one can't really have an opinion that 2+2=5, which is essentially what he's saying. Whether Bush's GPA was higher is a matter of fact, not opinion. You compare the two numbers and voilà an honest to goodness fact, not some weasely "if, and, or but" way of avoiding being pinned down on anything.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The fact is, you can't back up your opinion with anything beyond wishful thinking, or you would have.> That's not so. However, anything I present would be discounted. It's not like this hasn't happened before. I post an opinion and then I back it up with articles and I'm told that doesn't PROVE my opinion is a FACT, even though I never claimed it was.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Douglas really needs to retake Reasoning 101.> I'm not the one having a problem with this simple concept. <Whether Bush's GPA was higher is a matter of fact, not opinion.> Except that we don't know what Mr Gore's GPA was, and we don't know what Sen Kerry's SAT score was, so we can only guess at them. The fact that they haven't been released is itself evidence that they are lower.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>However, anything I present would be discounted.<< If you want to back up your opinion with more oped articles, yeah, that might be dismissed. >>Except that we don't know what Mr Gore's GPA was, and we don't know what Sen Kerry's SAT score was, so we can only guess at them.<< So earlier in the thread, when you said you could provide facts but didn't have the time or you would be dismissed, that was all nonsense, wasn't it? You had nothing BUT opinion. You can only guess. Have fun with that.
Originally Posted By ecdc Wait, so I'm confused. If the scores haven't been released, then how can you prove you're right, as you claim you can (but you're just too damn swamped!) Of course, Douglas can't prove it, and he has the time. He just did what I did: Google'd it and found out that almost all of the hits are from right wing bloggers saying Bush's scores are higher but providing zilch evidence to back it up. He knows no one would swallow their tripe (without the facts, anyway) so he pretends to not have the time and insists we wouldn't accept the source (which, for once, is actually true). I guess I wouldn't accept something from blogger.goreblows.com without backing it up.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>That's because I can provide backup for my claim. I just haven't.<< We're still waiting. Oh, wait. You just admitted "so we can only guess". Great backup.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>He knows no one would swallow their tripe (without the facts, anyway) so he pretends to not have the time and insists we wouldn't accept the source (which, for once, is actually true).<< Exactly, ecdc. There's all sorts of blogs and right or left leaning sites any of us could find out there to "support" and provide "backup" for just about anything we dream up.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Except that we don't know what Mr Gore's GPA was, and we don't know what Sen Kerry's SAT score was, so we can only guess at them. The fact that they haven't been released is itself evidence that they are lower.<< No, it's YOUR suspicion. Must be lovely to live in DouglasWorld.
Originally Posted By DAR Douglas, seriously you're spinning you're wheels on this one. And even if you did provide any evidence, you would still be attacked by the usual suspects around here.
