Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan No he wouldn't, DAR. He has no evidence to present. That's the point. He SAID he did.
Originally Posted By jonvn "even if you did provide any evidence" No, he would not be attacked for that. He basically lied. Claiming he had something, but did not. When pressed, he continued to claim he had something. Which is then a cover up, or more lies. Mostly what he says are lies and evasion. This is why he has been taken to task so much.
Originally Posted By DAR Given the methods that some of you employ I find it hard to believe that he or anyone else who holds a slightly more conservative view than others around here wouldn't be attacked regardless of what is provided.
Originally Posted By jonvn Actually, I think most people here are more than willing to hear an honest point of view. I'm not really all that liberal, either. Of course, if you're a right wing extremist or a reactionary, you might think so, but I'm not really all that extreme in most of my views.
Originally Posted By ecdc Back to your old tricks, DAR? Nothing to contribute beyond whining about what others say? I'm sure we could ask which methods you're referring to, and as usual, you'll come up with an example of something that no one has actually done.
Originally Posted By DAR This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's people like you that trot out your pompus holier than thou attitudes. And if you want examples just read through any topic in this area in the last two years.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Given the methods that some of you employ I find it hard to believe that he or anyone else who holds a slightly more conservative view than others around here wouldn't be attacked regardless of what is provided. > That's not so. vbdad55, for one, is definitely conservative, but he presents thoughtful and intelligent posts that I respect, even I don't agree with them. He doesn't indulge in all this nonsense Douglas does. As a result, he is respected around here rather than lampooned. I'll respect any conservative who can do the same, and I think most liberals and moderates here will too.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Once again, the usual suspects show they can't tell the difference between opinion and fact.> Actually, just the opposite. You've admitted that you don't KNOW Gore's GPA (though you said you could provide it); but it "must" be lower than Bush's, and you found that conjecture on blogs - i.e. opinion pieces. It's you who is relying on opinion and conjecture, and yet saying (initially) you were "quite sure" about it, which indicates it is you who has the trouble distinguishing between fact and opinion.
Originally Posted By jonvn "trot out your pompus holier than thou attitudes" If you are talking about me, there is no holier than thou attitude. Simple honesty works.
Originally Posted By ecdc DAR, you have a pretty consistent track record of accusing "the usual suspects" of actions and beliefs that you can't then support. It's a bizarre need you seem to have to demonize those you clearly don't agree with, rather than responding to what they say. There's specific examples I can provide (unlike you - perhaps like Douglas you're just too darn busy) such as the thread you started about how those critical of Bush took pleasure in the death of a police officer since he was riding in Bush's motorcade. You (rightly) took a beating for that one and looked pretty foolish in the process. Right now on the Patraeus ad thread, you continued to respond to things no one said - insisting the ad was unfair when no one had said it was. You make little sarcastic quips about how the left has no extremists, even though no one on the left has ever said otherwise. So try seeing the "usual suspects" for what they are instead of as the boogey man you've invented.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<Given the methods that some of you employ I find it hard to believe that he or anyone else who holds a slightly more conservative view than others around here wouldn't be attacked regardless of what is provided. > That's not so. vbdad55, for one, is definitely conservative, but he presents thoughtful and intelligent posts that I respect, even I don't agree with them. He doesn't indulge in all this nonsense Douglas does. As a result, he is respected around here rather than lampooned. I'll respect any conservative who can do the same, and I think most liberals and moderates here will too< merci ! and I know when to stay out of a fray that cannot be won ( except emotional stuff like religion - where really neither side can 'win' - since it's all about belief - faith etc. which cannot be measured ) a thread on who's smarter of a group where none of them represents who I would like to see in office -- kinda like what's the sweetest candy - who cares when the choices are all candy ? I usually use another analogy but trying hard to be PC - sometimes now I do view myself as moderate with conservative leanings -- just depends on the topic, but that's a quibble in the scheme of things. Conservative has become almost as bad a word as liberal these days due to the extremes who choose to use that title incorrectly - I do not want to be associated with them.
Originally Posted By DAR <<DAR, you have a pretty consistent track record of accusing "the usual suspects" of actions and beliefs that you can't then support. It's a bizarre need you seem to have to demonize those you clearly don't agree with, rather than responding to what they say.>> I haven't demonized anybody. But you guys are the same group who regularly attacked Beau for the methods he used. Yet when I, DlandDug, Douglas Kennesaw Tom or DarkBeer post something, it's met with derision. If you want an example, look at the responses to DarkBeer's posts. Granted I'm not a fan of just posting articles without some sort of commentary, there was no need to have people post recipes or articles on the dung beetle. <<There's specific examples I can provide (unlike you - perhaps like Douglas you're just too darn busy) such as the thread you started about how those critical of Bush took pleasure in the death of a police officer since he was riding in Bush's motorcade. You (rightly) took a beating for that one and looked pretty foolish in the process. Right now on the Patraeus ad thread, you continued to respond to things no one said - insisting the ad was unfair when no one had said it was.>> First of all I apologized several times in the thread about the dead police officer. To the credit of many Bush haters here he received a pass. The only thing I brought up with the Patreaus ad was that we all thought the ad was as despicable as the Fred Phelps protesting soldiers funerals. I just wanted to make sure everyone still thought that way. There's no doubt it was a waste of time and taxpayers money for this to be brought to a vote, but then again our government is known for these things. <<You make little sarcastic quips about how the left has no extremists, even though no one on the left has ever said otherwise. So try seeing the "usual suspects" for what they are instead of as the boogey man you've invented. >> I've acknowledged extremists on both sides. When talking about the right or the left it's not exclusive to what people on these boards say.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.iowasource.com/wit_wisdom/willbanks_0305.html" target="_blank">http://www.iowasource.com/wit_ wisdom/willbanks_0305.html</a> "Since we're talking about food in this month’s Source, let’s go to the experts. Of course I’m talking about the dung beetle, whose favorite saying is “Life is bliss because dung happens!†Dung beetles have down-to-earth thoughts such as, “The tastiest morsels are grown in manure. So why not just eat the manure and skip the rest?†These guys have the basics down and never have to worry about the food pyramid. They don’t have to cook (the seasoning of their “dung delight†has already been taken care of) and they never have to worry about tipping the waiter. Most of them just worry about how to get a sled of sludge into their house. Sometimes, the dung is the house. After an exhaustive 15 minutes of research on Google, I have found that there is as much interest and devotion to the dung beetle as there is to recipes for apple pie. Because I know that you are more than likely in a hurry to take another sip of that delicious cup of tea that you always fix yourself before reading The Source, I will just give you a few tasty facts about dung. Let’s start with mistletoe. Mistel is the Anglo-Saxon word for “dung†and tan is the word for “twig.†Therefore, mistletoe means “dung-on-a-twig.†I don’t know why “toe†is not the word for “twig†or why we don’t all smooch under the mistletan. Next holiday season, just as you are puckering up, remember that you are kissing under a twig of dung. Which I’m sure would make every dung beetle reading this article giggle with glee." More at the link.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Patreaus ad was that we all thought the ad was as despicable as the Fred Phelps protesting soldiers funerals" I don't think that way. I think Fred Phelps hurting people while at the funeral of their son is far worse than a political ad about a public figure.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^ gotta agree -- to me one of the lowest things that can be done
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <So earlier in the thread, when you said you could provide facts but didn't have the time or you would be dismissed, that was all nonsense, wasn't it?> Again, I never claimed I could provide facts that would prove my contention. Of course, no one can prove me wrong either.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Douglas, seriously you're spinning you're wheels on this one.> This one? Talking to some posters here is like talking to a brick wall, except a brick wall doesn't constantly insult you for trying to enlighten it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <He basically lied. Claiming he had something, but did not.> No, I didn't.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You've admitted that you don't KNOW Gore's GPA (though you said you could provide it); but it "must" be lower than Bush's, and you found that conjecture on blogs - i.e. opinion pieces.> You really need to stop telling me what I've done. You almost never get it right.
