Originally Posted By cape cod joe Read "Why England Slept" by JFK back in his Harvard days. It showed how cowardly and appeasing Neville Chamberlain was. Thank God for Winston. See Beau----there are dems and libs who will stand up (like our friend Trippy) and not just sing "cumbaya" like in the movie airplane.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Let's bomb Iran and Iraq and just start over.>> I know your kidding but Iraq is a friend now. Iran is the most dangerous situation we have faced in our lifetime in my opinion. These guys make Saddam look like a mellow guy with a stupid mustache. I put my money on Israel to launch a massive attack on Iran with the USA backing them up from the wings. If your Israel, you don't just sit there when the country who openly says they want to wipe you off the map is about to go nuclear.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Beau --Our good Jewish friends can't bomb Iran like last time. The political landscape has changed too drastically. The moderate Muslims were hit the Allah roof if they did that. It's up to us and other moderate allies in the region to take care of Iran.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy JFK would not be a democrat today. He would be disgusted with what his party has become.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I have to go eat as the chicken is burning> yes one of our 1 out of 5 meals in so stick on topic and answer the question "Do we want George in charge to fight the terrorists or someone like cumbaya Kerry?"
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Joe, Your knowledge is no better than my links, and my links are no better than your knowledge. It is all conjecture, and there is no way we can ever know for sure WHAT would have actually happened. By the way... I hate to ruin all the fun that you and Beau have been having, but I don't remember ever saying that the decision to bomb Japan was wrong. All I said was that the United States was the only country to ever use a nuclear bomb in war and that other countries did have a reason to fear us. That is indisputable fact. I realize that Beau has his stock responses and you just got swept up in the frenzy.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<The moderate Muslims were hit the Allah roof if they did that. It's up to us and other moderate allies in the region to take care of Iran.>> Joe, Israel can't worry about what Muslims think. They have to worry about being wiped off the earth and letting the Muslims fullfill their master plan. Israel used to be the toughest country on earth but even they have become soft with liberalsm. Time to get back to what they know best... survival by using massive force against the Muslims who are so eager to visit Allah.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<There is only ONE COUNTRY on earth that has used a nuclear weapon in war and that is the good old USA. We've done it twice and managed to kill off over 200,000 civilians with our little nuclear experiments.>> This hints that we did something very bad and you don't bother to mention the positive results of dropping those bombs.
Originally Posted By barboy Something to consider here: the fight for Berlin from Jan-May of '05 was particularly brutal and was conducted street by street- casualties were staggering for Germans and Allied forces alike. Unlike the German soldiers Japanese troops followed the way of the warrior or the code of Bushido. A Japanese soldier was forbidden to surrender even if death was certain because this would bring great dishonor and shame. A ground campaign in Tokyo would have been exceedingly brutal and bloody for all even by WWII standards making battle seiged Manila, Leningrad and Berlin look like LA street crime. The Japanese gov't was even gearing up women, children and elderly with knives, pikes or anything else that could inflict damage on the invaders. And these people would have defended their homeland until death. Dropping "little boy" and "fat man" was justified.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Hey barboy, what you just posted was what I heard on the History channel the other day. It really puts things in perspective. I love the military but let me tell ya... I would not have wanted to part of the military that had to invade Japan.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Come on Trippy--You're having fun too as is Rachel who is back to her homework now and asking what I keep laughing at. I have to laugh so I don't cry as I just caught some of Hardball at USC and things are looking uneasy to say the least. Trippy--Your obvious innuendo was that the nukes at Japan were evil. At least that's what I inferred? Good point on links however if 1000 links say the earth is round and 10 say otherwise, I go with the 1000 if you see the lousy analogy I just made? P.S. Even Jim is having fun as his 12 inch rabbit earred antennaed tv must be on the fritz
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Trippy please listen to barboy if not me It is not conjecture any more than saying that if we didn't enter WW11 we all wouldn't be speaking German! This stuff is hard for the Western mind to fathom but it is REAL and not hypotheticals. The conjecture is would it have been ONE MILLION or TWO MILLION American casualties. Who are you barboy? What's your background> poly sci or history like mine? What school? may I ask?
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Originally Posted By Shooba >>>It was very fun to tell all of them they lose again and again because their " fringe " has become the liberal mainstream and that they hate America, they hate the military, they hate religion, they burn American flags, they support the terrorist bill of rights, and they are clueless about history... so America rejects them and thus they lose again and again. Scoreboard baby!!<<< It takes a special kind of pettiness to go and bully and harass people. How pathetic that someone could get such happiness by belitting others.
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Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA What is all this nonsense that liberals are America-haters? That's just what it is...nonsense!
Originally Posted By Shooba >>>What is all this nonsense that liberals are America-haters? That's just what it is...nonsense!<<< And since Liberals are American, anyone who hates Liberals hates America. Apparently it's just one big self-loathing country!
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Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Trippy--Your obvious innuendo was that the nukes at Japan were evil. At least that's what I inferred?>> I don't know that the decision to use nukes against Japan was necessarily evil; if so it was perhaps a necessary evil. But the subsequent arms race and proliferation of nuclear weapons WAS evil. The U.S., instead of assuming that they would remain the only country with nuclear weapons, should have worked from the start to limit development of the weapons, including our own.
