Originally Posted By WorldDisney Wow, its good to know that people agree with me, but its not exactly a hard position to take on these days . I'm MORE surprised that no one has come here to defend Bush yet actually. In the 'old days' when I was on these boards, it would take maybe 3 posts before someone defended him and again, that's FINE, so I'm surprised that those people haven't stepped up to the plate. I guess it shows that the undeniable support of Bush a year ago really is waning. Like I said, yes, I'm a liberal and a democrat and didn't particular like Bush, but I never considered myself a 'Bush hater' and believe it or not HAS even defended some of his policies in the past, especially in other countries where the Anti-Bush rhetoric is TOO much. Yes, I was against the war if everyone here remembers , but I never called the man a Nazi and saw the benefit of getting rid of a wacko like Saddam, but it has turned into such a bloody mess over there with so many mistakes in sight, it's no wonder 3 years on and it seems to be getting worse with no end in sight. Hell, they just bombed a mosque about 30 minutes ago killing at least 10 as I type this. Bush has turned into the epitome of incompentence if I ever seen it. Look, I'm an optomist, I am. I may be a liberal and an anti-DCA fan, but anyone who met me still can't say I'm that bitter . So, yes, I WANT to give Bush a the benefit of the doubt, I do. I WANTED to be proven wrong with Iraq, but unfortunately I wasn't. I wasn't one of those type of people who was just waiting for him to screw up, I was one of those people that wanted to see him prevail there despite my opposition of it for alll the reasons that are taking place now. I just hope we can find someone in the next election to turn it around, to sort of be the next 'Iger' or 'Quimet' if you will (bringing it back to Disney ), because this country needs it. I DO agree with mrichmondj that he needs more time to turn it around (and I guess we got no choice ), but this is the thing, it seems like things are just getting worse and worse with one startling revelation after another. You can't put out one fire when another is starting up right behind you a few minutes later and that what seems to be happening with this administration. It's sad when the Vice President shooting someone looks really tame . I'm not nieve, Bush isn't going anywhere, but I hope the man either get his 'stuff' together quick or just be honest with himself, knows he's not capable and call it a day. But, yeah, Cheney taking over is scaaaary . Eitherway, anyone still thinking the policies and actions of this administration five years on is going 'swell' are kidding themselves. Seriously.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I witnessed first-hand the speech where he said "misunderestimated" like four times. I just turned it on MSNBC and he was speaking, and there it was. He stumbled over it the first time, like he was feeling out how it really should be said, then he settled on "misunderestimated." After he was comfortable with it, he said it like three or four more times. "They misunderestimated, our resolve, they misunderestimated, our conviction..." It was one of those moments where I was so embarrased for someone I reached for the remote and changed the channel immediately.>> LOL, classic Bush huh . If people 'misunderestimate' how stupid he could sound at times, then they are 'misunderestimating' Bush ;D.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>but I would NOT want to play golf with Cheney><< Would you go hunting with him...?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I'm MORE surprised that no one has come here to defend Bush yet actually. In the 'old days' when I was on these boards, it would take maybe 3 posts before someone defended him and again, that's FINE, so I'm surprised that those people haven't stepped up to the plate. I guess it shows that the undeniable support of Bush a year ago really is waning.> What it's showing is that we're getting tired of explaining to the hysterics amongst us what the facts really are. Like all the others, the current charges against him are baseless, and as the facts come out, we'll see that.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Funny Dug but as you know I'm against guns anyways and Dick is a great e.g. why
Originally Posted By wahooskipper If you have to have a pretty face and perfect diction to be President then it is going to leave a lot of people out of the running. Not too mention a number of our past Presidents who shouldn't have been if office considering there less than stellar public personas. Every President who comes along is going to be "on camera" more than the previous one. If every moment of every day of your life was capture on film/tape then I suspect most of you would look like bafoons a lot too. And, I'm not being party biased here. The tv wasn't freidndly to Carter, Ford, Nixon, etc. For what it is worth Bush is probably very much the person he is on and off camera. At least you can't call him fake. I don't think I'd like to run for President. For the next several decades you are going to be compared to Clinton or Reagan, two phenomenal public speakers who engaged us all. Their life is going to be scrutinized down to the most ridiculouos, trivial matters. Their families will be invaded even though noone is electing the family. It is a shame politics has reached this abyss.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I can well understand the frustration on this board. But it does, inevitably, remind me of the attitude so many coservatives took during the Clinton years. "How can people vote for this guy?" "He's so smarmy." "He's a liar." "What a weasel." Etc. Basically, the flaw was seeing only what they wanted to see-- their own perceived negatives. Bush certainly has compiled a lot to criticize. But that is not, for many here, the sum total of his Presidency. The present issue (Scooter Libby's assertion) is still developing, but I am not surprised that people are rushing to embrace it. (Just as some rushed to embrace the certainty that Rove would be making that perp walk a few months ago.) If Libby's claims are substantiated, it will be, in my opinion, indefensible. Not illegal (as has been clearly delineated in news reports), but definitely improper. It is way too early to start assuming where history will place George W. Bush's term in office. (Even Reagan's legacy is still being determined.) Most of the speculation on this topic is, I believe, wishful thinking. And for those who persist in the "Bush is a moron" myth, remember what they say about people who live in glass houses. A statement like "Bush has turned into the epitome of incompentence if I ever seen it" strikes me as funny, but I would never base my judgement of someone purely on their grammar (or lack of same). For that matter, what about someone who consistly uses the word "nieve" when they obviously mean "naive?" Does this make them stupid? Should we ignore what they have to say? I don't think so, and I would hope that that would apply for anyone else here as well.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^^I'm sorry DlandDug, But I stand my statement 100%. You know I don't even post on these boards anymore, but I can't just sit here and see this man drive this country more and more apart. True, we DON'T know the full story of the Libby leak and I never said (if you read my post again) Bush had a direct link between Libby and Plame in the first place, but its clear to me Bush and others knew that Libby WAS providing classified information under their guidance and for them to play dumb and pretend they didn't have a clue who could even be behind it? I'm sick of the semantics and back end shuffling. Yes, every President and politician does it to a point, but this is one revelation after another and the man wonder why his poll number is in the 30's??? Sure, Clinton had his own issues, but he still had a 70% approval rating at the height of the Monica Lewinsky affair. Why? Because the country wasn't in the mess it is today unlike the President's personal life. Bush is a sad excuse of a President and its becoming more and more evident. His own party is doubting him. What does that say? <<A statement like "Bush has turned into the epitome of incompentence if I ever seen it" strikes me as funny, but I would never base my judgement of someone purely on their grammar (or lack of same). For that matter, what about someone who consistly uses the word "nieve" when they obviously mean "naive?" Does this make them stupid? Should we ignore what they have to say? I don't think so, and I would hope that that would apply for anyone else here as well.>> LOL, I hear you ;D. My only excuse is that its late on my side of the world and I just get too passionate and type away and press 'submit' without looking at my own work (and oh yeah, Doobie needs an edit button ). I'm a freaking English teacher, teach grammar myself, so I cringe when I see my own mistakes, but I rarely type at a 100 words per minute like I do here . Buuuut, with all that said, yeah, still stand by my post and here's the thing: I'm not the President of the United States and have 20 aides polishing my entire image just to go out before the world and the first word is 'uhhhh'. It's embarrasing!! I never seen a leader that can't get a coherent sentence out worse than him. Also, I never said he is dumb, but its obvious he's not smart enough to run a country either.....but very few are . I just people realized that before they made the mistake of electing him a second time......but they seem to realize it now.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I just people realized that before>> See, too fast again .....or maybe I'm just related to Bush .
Originally Posted By DlandDug WD-- I seldom respond directly to people here (as it is too easy to get into arguments over personality). But I do want to say, again, that I understand your frustration. Most of what I was saying was in response to others. (Especially all that "Bush is a moron" nonsense.) Where I would depart in agreement with you is in the statement, "...its clear to me Bush and others knew that Libby WAS providing classified information under their guidance..." It is not clear to me, and many others, that this is the case. It has been made clear that even if this is true, it is not illegal. I am also glad to see you were not personally offended about what I said about the grammar, etc. I really don't like to see people attacked on that basis (as I have been known to slip in a few typos and some garbled syntax myself). I would just hope that the same would apply to the President, who may not always rely on his vast team of image polishers every moment of the day.
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Originally Posted By cape cod joe He's ALWAYS lurking in the shadows like the tree that falls and everyone wonders WHEN it's going to make a noise?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Beau-I made a PRIVATE deal with my wife so she went home and I'm stuck in the office so YOU are my entertainment for the day! You post and people attack and on and on---Get the stick out for the continuation of the woodshed routine
Originally Posted By mele I'm sure if every word we said was recorded, we could write our own "Pie Higher" poems. But I still think this is funny... MAKE THE PIE HIGHER by George W. Bush I think we all agree, the past is over. This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses. Rarely is the question asked Is our children learning? Will the highways of the Internet become more few? How many hands have I shaked? They misunderestimate me. I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity. I know that the human being and the fish can coexist. Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream. Put food on your family! Knock down the tollbooth! Vulcanize society! Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher! <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/piehigher.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/politics /bush/piehigher.asp</a>
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Let me tell ya Joe.. when I go away only to come back to a lib whine fest about how horrible Bush is, how stupid Bush is, how awful the world is, how he leaked info and how Bush is going down this time for the 200th time, it's my duty to come on here and break up their party. LOL Besides, Plame STILL wasn't covert, and the libs STILL have one plan for Iraq... to Quit. Iv'e never done better in life than I am now and I see opportunity everywhere. I feel good that we have a tough guy president who is not willing to let Islamic terror scum go free to kill without paying the price. I feel good that our president is a man of God and he isn't screwing fat chicks behind his wifes back. You will notice that the negative people who want to think the world sucks, that America is evil not great, are all liberals. Who wants to be like this??? So I teach my kids 6 and 8 years old to be positive and to see the bright side of situations and to never make excuses because excuses and cigaretts are for losers. Negative people don't make as much money as positive people and they want handouts from the people who actually produced some results. ( Social programs, socialism ) It's no coincidence that these same people are democrats and are not as happy as my fellow Republicans. And that is the bottom line when all is said and done.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad I would have swiftly come to the defense of Bush even up to a year ago. Now, I will simply wait and see. He is afterall still the President and still has my support as such, but even I admit it becomes more and more difficult to defend him. I will however say, that he has done a fine job keeping his pants on, unlike the last Dem who wouldn't even leave office when it would have been prudent to have done so.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy My motto DVC dad is that no matter how frustrated you get with Bush, the democrats are always going to be worse... way worse.
