Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It is interesting to see Republicans upset about the idea of talks with Iran. They had no trouble with negotiating arms-for-hostages deals with Iran back in the glory days of the beloved Reagan White House. And working with Saddam Hussein as well. But they're the perfect ones to lecture the world on the best way to deal with terrorism. Yes, these great examples of judgement are the perfect ones to tell us all how to go about these things. LOL!
Originally Posted By dshyates Ollie North was on FOX News and he was bemoaning how in appropriate it would be to negotiate with Iran. I guess he would know. The GOP really must have cajones the size of SSE.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>The GOP must be very proud to court these kinds of voters.<< Unlike, say, the Democrats, whose co-standard bearers have spent the last few months displaying the highest intellectual rigor in attracting voters to their respective sides.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>It is interesting to see Republicans upset about the idea of talks with Iran.<< This now seems to be shaking down into two camps. The high-dudgeon types who will have NO TALKS WHATSOEVER and the moderate ones who sensibly point out that the issue is talks without conditions. It's all semantics and politics now. >>They had no trouble with negotiating arms-for-hostages deals with Iran back in the glory days of the beloved Reagan White House.<< Republicans, along with everyone else, had no idea if this was going on. I really wonder what the reaction would have been if such a proposal had been laid before the American people. (I am sure we can all guess.) >>And working with Saddam Hussein as well.<< He was the recognized head of government, and dealings with him were subject to severe restrictions. Presidents of both parties have dealt directly with many odious characters in history. FDR sat with Stalin, for heaven's sake. The issue should be what circumstance and what conditions would bring about talks with the equally odious leader of Iran.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Republicans, along with everyone else, had no idea if this was going on. << Only the Republicans in the White House, who initiated it in the first place. To me, this was a very shameful chapter of Reagan's presidency, and too often, it gets a total free pass. Meanwhile, some of the same people involved in it (Oliver North, for example) or who didn't have a problem with it are suddenly alarmed that Obama wants to begin some sort of talks with Iran.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Presidents of both parties have dealt directly with many odious characters in history. FDR sat with Stalin, for heaven's sake. The issue should be what circumstance and what conditions would bring about talks with the equally odious leader of Iran.<< Indeed.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Republicans, along with everyone else, had no idea if this was going on." You honestly believe that. Do you think Ollie picked up 40 US Military Tow missles at the army navy store?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>You honestly believe that.<< As was pointed out in post 85, I wasn't refering to the White House, but rather Republicans in general. >>Meanwhile, some of the same people involved in it (Oliver North, for example)...<< The lionizing of Ollie North has always baffled me. I mean, the guy broke the law. And (as far as I know) has never repudiated anything he did. But to some, he's a true, true patriot.
Originally Posted By dshyates So what do you think of FOX News for trotting Ollie out to express outrage that Obama said he may consider possibly talking to the Iranian gov't. after Ollie was the one who illegally nogotiated selling missles to them behind the back of congress and senate. This is the Rebulicans idea of an American Patriot. Mine is more like democratic president Thomas Jefferson.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Obama said he may consider possibly talking to the Iranian gov't.> Actually, the Senator's website said he "is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions."
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>So what do you think of FOX News for trotting Ollie out...<< I believe I already answered that one above. >>This is the Rebulicans idea of an American Patriot.<< Not this Republican.
