Originally Posted By itsme >>There is legislation in progress to change this stupid rule. ------ Imagine that, Someone wants to change what the framers wanted, and it ok to do so if it fits you. What a lib.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>The question is what to do with those here now. In order to remove all the "illegal" scumbags, we would have to turn the US into a police state.<< So we only deport the "easy ones", who are easily identified. Its better than doing nothing.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>There is legislation in progress to change this stupid rule.<< That's right. Leave 'em orphans.<< Huh? They would go back with their parents.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Anyone who thinks its fair to have a Mexican come across the border illegally to have a child, just so that child can mooch off us taxpayers really needs to get a clue. Thats why that stupid rule needs to be changed.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>>>There is legislation in progress to change this stupid rule.<< That's right. Leave 'em orphans.<< Huh? They would go back with their parents.<< So, you want US Citizens to be removed...depriving them of their rights without due process of law. Typical.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Imagine that, Someone wants to change what the framers wanted, and it ok to do so if it fits you. What a lib.<< Actually, the citizenship by birth alone ammendment was added much later, for the benefit of emancipated slaves.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Not US citizens, illegals who have kids here just so YOU can pay for them as they get welfare and free medical care.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>So, you want US Citizens to be removed...depriving them of their rights without due process of law.<< No, I'm saying that the law should be changed so that illegals can't have anchor babies. We are one of the few countries in the world to allow this. >>Typical.<< Since you are so keen on welcoming everyone to live in the US, you should read this: <a href="http://www.vdare.com/rubenstein/051122_nd.htm" target="_blank">http://www.vdare.com/rubenstei n/051122_nd.htm</a>
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Not US citizens, illegals who have kids here just so YOU can pay for them as they get welfare and free medical care.<< That's not the only reason they have kids here. Don't oversimplify stuff because you wind up saying things that simply aren't true.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom How about begining the deportation process of illegal immigrants by sending back the illegals that comprise 20% of the US jail population.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Well, see, Tom. I think I get how the Right thinks. It's not that there are people who genuinely love each other and have a child. No, ALL children of ALL illegal immigrants are "anchor babies." They're not human, just anchors. And you call yourselfs God fearing Christians?
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>How about begining the deportation process of illegal immigrants by sending back the illegals that comprise 20% of the US jail population.<< That would not be a problem...once they've served their terms, send them home...all the way home (i.e., to their hometowns, not the border).
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<That's not the only reason they have kids here. Don't oversimplify stuff because you wind up saying things that simply aren't true.>> What other reason would they be having kids here? It certainly can't be for the medical care. After all Cuba says that they have the best medical care in the world. And we all know how buddy buddy Mexico is with Cuba. So it must be for the welfare benefits. By the way your still talking ONLY about Mexicans and those from Central America since most everyone else wants to become US citizens for legitimate reasons that don't involve being a parasite with an attorney.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy cmpaley, are kids that are borne in the US by illegals a problem for this country or not? Only a fool would let the madness continue as it is now. Something has to be done to stop this and as I said, some Republican congressmen are working on it as we speak.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Well, see, Tom. I think I get how the Right thinks. It's not that there are people who genuinely love each other and have a child. No, ALL children of ALL illegal immigrants are "anchor babies." They're not human, just anchors. And you call yourselfs God fearing Christians?>> Are we still talking about the illegal immigrants that comprise 20% of the US jail population. Yes they are so honest, loving and kind individuals and so concerned about their wives and children that they go out and commit violent crimes against US citizens and end up our jail system. Please insert God fearing people here____________.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Oh wait, I'm forgetting the Democratic Party approach. Kicking the can. Oh lets pretend; there aren't really any illegal imigrants coming into this country. Heck no.... just Neo Con propraganda. Those darn Neo Cons.. they want to turn this country into a police state. Lets wait a few years and let someone else deal with any potential border issues.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>cmpaley, are kids that are borne in the US by illegals a problem for this country or not?<< Irrelevant question. Your tendency to oversimply issues is simply childish! >>Only a fool would let the madness continue as it is now. Something has to be done to stop this and as I said, some Republican congressmen are working on it as we speak.<< Bush got one right. Illegal immigration is a complicated issue. Enforcement alone leads to what you seem to wish for: a police state where anyone can be stopped at any time without probable cause and without any recourse to due process. There MUST be a way to deal with the underlying causes of the problem as well as reasonably increase enforcement and enhance security along the imaginary line we call the Border. There is a plan right now on the table to actually do this. <a href="http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsCenter.ViewPressRelease&Content_id=1569" target="_blank">http://mccain.senate.gov/index .cfm?fuseaction=NewsCenter.ViewPressRelease&Content_id=1569</a>
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Irrelevant question. Your tendency to oversimply issues is simply childish!>> Irrelevant?? I think your afraid to answer the question because I put you on the spot. Illegals having babies on our soil HURTS America. If you can't agree with that simple fact then there is no way to have a discussion about anything with you. If you come here illegally, your kid that is born for free in our hospital gets shipped back to Mexico along with the mother all as Mexican citizens. We will also slap them with the hospital bill for having the baby with no insurance.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >> <<Well, see, Tom. I think I get how the Right thinks. It's not that there are people who genuinely love each other and have a child. No, ALL children of ALL illegal immigrants are "anchor babies." They're not human, just anchors. And you call yourselfs God fearing Christians?>> Are we still talking about the illegal immigrants that comprise 20% of the US jail population. Yes they are so honest, loving and kind individuals and so concerned about their wives and children that they go out and commit violent crimes against US citizens and end up our jail system. Please insert God fearing people here____________.<< The "anchor baby" slur is what I'm addressing here.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Already in this thread we've seen the term "illegal children" and we've seen someone ask if children being born is a problem. The children shouldn't be punished for the sins of the parents. I just can't bring myself to see infants as a problem or as illegal. Every new life is an opportunity and a promise, and already casting an infant aside as a problem or as illegal is inhuman.
