Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I have to admit, I fail to see why the US allows the children of those who are here illegally to automatically be granted the rights and privleges of US citizenship.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Every new life is an opportunity and a promise, and already casting an infant aside as a problem or as illegal is inhuman.>> Who's casting them aside?? They are being sent back to the country of their parents origin. Now... come to America legally, then we will welcome the children as long as they learn English.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I have to admit, I fail to see why the US allows the children of those who are here illegally to automatically be granted the rights and privleges of US citizenship.<< Because we are required to by the Constitution.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy That's why the constitution needs to be changed. I see the constitution says we are to defend our borders also. What happened?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<The children shouldn't be punished for the sins of the parents. I just can't bring myself to see infants as a problem or as illegal. >> Apparently Tom you missed the post by someone who stated that the US is among only a few countries that allow children born on US soil to automatically be US citizens. I"m all for sending them back to Mexico.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Who's casting them aside?? They are being sent back to the country of their parents origin<< They are American citizens, Beau. That means something.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>>>Illegals having babies on our soil HURTS America.<< How?<< Two words: NOT WHITE
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Apparently Tom you missed the post by someone who stated that the US is among only a few countries that allow children born on US soil to automatically be US citizens.<< I didn't miss it. I didn't think that we were deciding what was right and wrong based on what they do in countries with fewer freedoms than we have.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Because we are required to by the Constitution.>> I seem to remeber the Constitution also mentioning something about restricting Eminent Domain.. but that proved not to be worth the paper it was written on.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I see the constitution says we are to defend our borders also. What happened?<< They haven't changed in a long time.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<They are American citizens, Beau. That means something.>> But they shouldn't be. It would be like me winning the lottery without ever paying the money to buy a ticket.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>>>Apparently Tom you missed the post by someone who stated that the US is among only a few countries that allow children born on US soil to automatically be US citizens.<< I didn't miss it. I didn't think that we were deciding what was right and wrong based on what they do in countries with fewer freedoms than we have.<< That's what I don't get. Rabid-right wingers LOVE to talk about how we're better than everywhere else and all that YET they compare us to other countries when it comes to these kinds of things. Talk out of both sides of the mouth much?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>It would be like me winning the lottery without ever paying the money to buy a ticket.<< We're talking about infants. They can't control where they are born. We should be celebrating the birth of a new American, not trying to find ways to slam the door in their face.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<I didn't miss it. I didn't think that we were deciding what was right and wrong based on what they do in countries with fewer freedoms than we have.>> Not my problem. I didn't elect their Dictators, I mean Democratically elected officials. Just like I don't have a say in the election of Senator's Kennedy, Barbara Boxer or Clinton.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >><<Two words: NOT WHITE>> One word: Clueless << Take the mirror from your face. This is not a simple issue, Beau, as much as you wish it were. The solution isn't simple, either. You can't solve a problem by treating the symptoms. You must find the cause and fix it at the source. As an example, there is an annoying sound coming from your engine. You can roll up the window and turning up the radio so you can't hear it, but it's still there and the car will eventually break down (the enforcement only approach) or you can go and look under the hood and find the the part that needs fixing and fixing it (the holistic approach). For some reason, the Right is always about rolling up the window and turning up the radio.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<They are American citizens, Beau. That means something.>> It means they can spunge off of everyone else.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>>>It would be like me winning the lottery without ever paying the money to buy a ticket.<< We're talking about infants. They can't control where they are born. We should be celebrating the birth of a new American, not trying to find ways to slam the door in their face.<< That's the motto of the Rabid-Right: "Slamming doors in faces since 1980"
