Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <When are people like you going to stop with the dishonest comparisons? The missions in Korea and Germany are nothing the ones in Iraq or Afghanistan.> I didn't make any dishonest comparisons, since I didn't compare Korea and Germany with Iraq or Afghanistan. All I said is that it would be nice if we didn't have troops in any of them. <Name the last bullet fired in anger in Germany or Korea.> By us or by others? I don't know when the last time one of our soldiers fired in anger, but I imagine it has been awhile. But isn't that an argument that we should have soldiers there?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The situation in Iraq is just like Vietnam and you know it.> No, it's not. <Really, does your nose grow when you do this kind of stuff?> No. <It's just hard to take anyone seriously anymore who insists on holding on to things like this.> It's hard to take seriously anyone who keeps repeating the same tired accusations you just made.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I didn't make any dishonest comparisons, since I didn't compare Korea and Germany with Iraq or Afghanistan. All I said is that it would be nice if we didn't have troops in any of them." I could point out the obvious that you just did, since you were the one who mentioned them all in the same breath, and that when people talk about getting out of Iraq it isn't the same thing as getting out of Germany, but you'd just deny it because that's what you do. The Human Obfuscator.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Tell me one other country that had veto power over this that Bush would have heeded." Crickets......
Originally Posted By DAR <<Putin was right the other day. We have made the world an unsafe place, and Bush is responsible.>> Wrong the terrorists have made the world an unsafe place. Putin's former government in the Soviet Union made the world an unsafe place.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<How long do you want this to go? Until YOUR kids get called? >>> This is a question that I have asked myself more than a few times. The real question here is something like, "Is the price for freedom really worth it?" Yes, it is. But then there is the fact that unless my kids join the military they aren't going to get "called." There's no draft. Everyone wants to pull the plug and run. What then? What happens to Iraq and to the Iraqi people? We just leave? I mean that is what Clinton would do yes, of course, but is that what we should do? Is that the right thing to do?
Originally Posted By DVC_dad And if my kids do join the military, and they do go to war, and they do bleed and die will I change my tune? Will I suddenly think that they died in vain? It is an insult to all those who have going before, to even ask such a question as.... "Will it be time to withdraw when it's YOUR kids fighting and bleeding and dying?" Flatly, no. It will be time to leave when the job is done.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<The situation in Iraq is just like Vietnam and you know it.>>> <<<When are people like you going to stop with the dishonest comparisons?>>> Take your own advice. Iraq and Viet Nam are NOTHING at all comparable. This is a rediculous comparison, from you who are accusing others of dishonest comparisons.
Originally Posted By DAR A great alternative would be for the leaders in Iraq to denounce all violence against their countrymen and around the Muslim world. As TE Lawrence once said:"long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people - greedy, barbarous, and cruel."
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I don't get any from trolls.> Well sure, if you label as a troll anyone who challenges your viewpoint or your sweeping generalizations.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Everyone wants to pull the plug and run. What then?" Same thing if we stay. that's the problem.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<<<The situation in Iraq is just like Vietnam and you know it.>>> <<<When are people like you going to stop with the dishonest comparisons?>>> Take your own advice. Iraq and Viet Nam are NOTHING at all comparable." So I take it you're not much on military history?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Everyone wants to pull the plug and run. What then? What happens to Iraq and to the Iraqi people? We just leave?" You know, if you acknowledge that "everyone" wants out of Iraq, then maybe you should re-think your position. What does "everyone" know that you don't? No one ever has an answer for this. What part about 1500 years of sectarian violence don't you get? What have we done, or what could we possibly do, in a few short years, or even a decade, to change 1500 years of the hate these factions have for each other? They're blowing each other to smithereens whether we're there or not. No sense getting our soldiers killed in the process. I, for one, don't feel the least bit freer for what's happened in Iraq. Had Bush devoted the majority of efforts to nailing bin Laden in Afghanistan, maybe all of us who want out of Iraq sing a different tune, but he didn't do that. We're not killing terrorists in Iraq, we're killing our country's goodwill and good name all over the world instead.
Originally Posted By jonvn "if you label as a troll anyone who challenges your viewpoint" Except I don't. So, your little post is pointless. Once again.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad SingleParkPassholder, Your posts are not wasted on me. I am in agreement that there are isssues, and I will continue to re-examine my opinions often. You are getting through. Much of what you post here makes prefect sense, not all but most. <<<We're not killing terrorists in Iraq, we're killing our country's goodwill and good name all over the world instead.>>> This point I disagree on. But the rest is food for thought for me.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<< I, for one, don't feel the least bit freer for what's happened in Iraq. Had Bush devoted the majority of efforts to nailing bin Laden in Afghanistan, maybe all of us who want out of Iraq sing a different tune, but he didn't do that.>>> Does this mean that you were in favor of the initial operations in Afghanistan?
