Originally Posted By vbdad55 <#232 by vbdad... <--- climbs up on a table, jumps up and down and cheers Bravo! Bravo!! Neither my wife nor I have degrees, and we have done very well career wise and financially. But we both say our biggest regret is that we never completed our degrees. < Thanks Trippy....my wife never finished her undergrad..and like you guys, she holds that as one of her regrets and one day will complete it. She left as her parents became very ill back to back and she took care of them 24 x 7 -- then we got married and from there...there just never seemed like the right time. She worked her way up to very very good positions within the corporate HQ at McDonalds, but the lack of a degree did hold her back some... that plus we decided two of us on the fast track at once was a recipe for disaster.. that being said she is one of the brightest people I know ..and as I said before the paper means less than the experience and knowledge...and those who 'learn' the most in this life...don;t talk much about it, whether it is multiple degrees or none...they let their knowledge and class speak for them
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <College professors are 90% liberal. That alone makes them not so smart. If they would stick to teaching science or math then that is one thing. But to many of these people are far left crazies who have no concept of the real world. < in what universe are 90% liberal ? certain fields I will grant you are more liberal than others...but how do you define liberal ? I find more college professors to be moderates than anything else....and if you think there are right wing nut jobs teaching also...then you went to the wrong schools and again still dissing the efforts and knowledge gained by people pursuing any degree....just shows your own lack of knowledge and understanding. I used to try and defend some of the things attributed to you...but when you go off on a goofy tangent like this..I can see why some people are now just ignoring you. you cannot use one idiot friend of yours who brags about a degree as an example of anything..plus I have to wonder just how much jealousy is involved in your being upset by this.... andmost people who pursue advanced degrees in the arts for instance..do not expect or want to parlay that into huge amounts of money -- some people actually like to expand their knowledge base...give it a try sometime. Those people are far from worthless just because they can't boast of $200K a year jobs -- and while you continue to put that sum out there..yes to many people that is a lot of money...but there are people out there who would look down at you and say -- he's a great salesman, if he'd onlyhave some actual knowledge and learning skills he could make something out of himself. All the world is relative..there is always someone who makes more money and always someone smarter...regardless of who you are.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy vbdad, most of my opinions regarding college degrees come from being a manager at US West where I was in charge of hiring people. Without fail, someone who bragged about their college degree was always a bad saleesperson who could not get read people or understand bady language. They were helpless in the real world. The rest of my opinion comes from my wife who runs a staffing agency where she places exectutives into full time and part time jobs. She never finished college either and yet like me, she became the boss. She also will tell you that people who have some degree in arts or some other nonsense are clueless about the real world and are shocked when they actually have to perform to get paid in the real world. So no, I'm not just making this up. I could enroll at the local college and finsh up my degree then go on and get more degrees. Why?? I make great money, have a wife, 2 kids, nice cars, a boat, trips to Disney and I can talk about any current event subject with some clarity. I don't need a degree in Iclandic studies to feel important. I also went to my 20th high school reunion last year and noticed the people with college degrees were doing no better than I was. In fact, many were doing jobs that had nothing to do with their degree. I hope my kids go to college simply because it's fun. If my son wants to fly jets in the military he needs to go to college. So there is a need for college in some cases. Just don't come to me and think anyone is impressed that you have a masters degree as you hold your Bush Lied! protest signs.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 you know I am tired of banging my head on a wall -- you keep confusing making money with intelligence. I work for one of the largest corporations in the world and I can guarantee you there are no sales reps without degrees...about 40% + have masters degrees and for the clientele they deal with they need the financial analysis skills as well as the ability to understand the computer SW/ HW services they sell that they earned in their MBA programs to deal on an even basis. I can also tell you no executive I have ever known in 30 years where I work has been hired through a 'placement firm' .. so be careful on the terms for executives.... but whatever - you make all the money you need and that is ALL that your evaluation leveling is based on....I know that I am glad I will never have to interview with you...be glad you never will interview with me either..as just as you can see thru people bragging about degrees..I can see thru false bravado and the my school of hard knocks is far more important that technical skills... so the world is in perfect balance... I'll hire the kid who tells me he had to leave college because he didn;t have the money but worked full time at some job you would look down on, and went to school at night to complete his degree as he saw the important...as opposed to someone who was so smart they could decide that they were above the degree programs being taught by those 90% liberal professors...but that's just me. And after 25 years in management and the direct hiring of over 150 people into professional level positions, and overseeing hundreds more...I still like my record. Yes, I missed on a few that were hired, and probably missed hiring a few I should...but I never hired anyone who thought that college was a complete waste of timebecause they were too good for it...and never will
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I can talk about any current event subject with some clarity.>> That's debatable.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Wow, go away for a week, and find 150 posts on this one subject alone! And a good 20 of them on the topic in question! Seriously, ecdc, GREAT posts midweek on the founders, etc. My man ecdc was on fire! Also, good luck on the Ph.D. I have a degree in history myself, but not a doctorate. Hats off to you.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder For the record, this morning I asked that my post 235 be deleted because in retrospect I didn't like it. As you all can see, it's still here.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^\ curious as to what part makes you want to recant....actually I thought it was a heartfelt post...with a message...that's the way I took it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "^^^^^^^^\ curious as to what part makes you want to recant....actually I thought it was a heartfelt post...with a message...that's the way I took it." Well thanks, but after I read it, I felt like I was coming across as ranting and exploiting what I do for a job. I don't hide that I'm a lawyer, but I don't really like to talk about too many details of what I specifically do. I have occasionally, but especially within the context of this thread, or what this thread has become, it struck me as wrong.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I for one had no problem with it and to me it lent more credence as instead of so much heresay we read here, it came from real life... sometimes others need to be hit over the head with a reality stick
Originally Posted By woody I have no problem with people who succeed with no degrees because they proved they can work, but for the majority of non-degreed people, it proves they are lazy and not very smart. Nonetheless, many highly degreed people are completely in outer space with common sense and logic. I don't think their education is at fault. I think its because they are used to the academic environment, which is different than the work environment. Some people have a hard time making a change. I have two degrees (one advanced), but I think it is a piece of paper designed for the corporate world and not quite designed for career advancement although it might make it slightly more easier. After entering the door, it is really up to the person to make the difference. It is just harder for the non-degreed person and time after time, many non-degreed people don't make it especially if there are quite a few non-degreed people. In other words, Beau and his wife made it, but many others are left behind.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<After entering the door, it is really up to the person to make the difference. It is just harder for the non-degreed person and time after time, many non-degreed people don't make it especially if there are quite a few non-degreed people. In other words, Beau and his wife made it, but many others are left behind.>> I finally agree 100% with Woody on something. My wife and I have also "made it". Our household income puts us in about the top 10% of U.S. households. But we have had to work extraordinarily hard to prove ourselves since we do not have degrees. I would advise anyone considering it to GET THE DEGREE. It was possible in my generation to advance yourself without one. I'm not so sure it is possible any more. A College Education does not provide job training. Community Colleges and Technical Schools provide that. A College Education provides you with a framework and approach to learning that will follow you throughout your career whether your specific major directly applies to your job or not. Yes, given time and persistence that knowledge can be acquired in other ways. But do yourself a favor.. acquire it in college. It is much easier that way and will pay many times over in the long run.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Woody, you make good points. I think you said what I have been trying to say. I have only pissed everyone off however. LOL Getting a degree is great. But it doesn't mean you are smart by a long shot. It can open some doors for sure, but it is not required in America today to have a great life. Speaking of the good life... where is Cape Cod Joe?
Originally Posted By jonvn College is not for everyone. And it is true that some people with advanced degrees don't know to come in out of the rain. But a college degree is not just for getting a job. A degree is not "worthless." Going to college is not just about learning a skill for work. That would be a trade school. Going to a college is a way to better yourself, and increase your own knowledge of the world. Why do you think they require general education courses? If it was just about medicine or engineering, you'd just need to learn those things. That's not what it is about. It's about becoming aware of the world around you, and becoming a well rounded person. For both the benefit of yourself and society. Getting a degree doesn't show you are "smart," whatever that means, but it does show you were able to start something and complete it. It also does show that you have knowledge in certain areas that you otherwise would not have. Does that make you smart? College does not make you smart. You use your smarts in college to understand the material. If anybody could just go get a college degree, they would. But, as I said, college is not for everyone. Some people's talents lay in other areas.
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger >>where is Cape Cod Joe?<< You /obviously/ need to step out of WE once in a while.
