Originally Posted By Beaumandy When you look at the sources Crichton references in his book it's hard to argue with him. Keep in mind, the same kooks pushing global warming were pushing global cooling not to long ago.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>Shooba, have you read Crichtons book on Global Warming?<< No, but I have read the one about the cloned dinosaurs, the one about the UFO at the bottom of the ocean, and the one where they went back in time to a medieval village. I'm sure this book will do for global warming what those books did for those issues. >>It has a weak plot line but rock solid scientific documentation showing what a crock man made global warming is.<< I'll ask again for legitimate evidence. I suspect this request will be as successful as the request for links where Murtha smeared the troops. >>Al Gore is such a dork.<< As always, viewpoints are formed based on partisan politics, not any sort of facts or other such nonsense.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Let's suppose the Global Warming is a myth, and it's junk science and there's no truth to it whatsoever. What's in it for the 'libs' to push this concept? Is the notion here that the democrats all have stock tied up in hybrid cars, photo voltaic cells, and corn? According to 'non-beleivers' -- why are scientists and others pushing 'Global Warming'?
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Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Let's suppose the Global Warming is a myth, and it's junk science and there's no truth to it whatsoever. What's in it for the 'libs' to push this concept?>> It pushes their agenda that man is destroying the planet, so everyone out of your SUV now!! It gets liberal scientists BILLIONS of dollars in funding to do " research " so they don't have to get a job at the local bead shop or record store. Liberals love to push the idea that the future is all doom and gloom. So global warming is a great myth for them to latch onto. Notice how conservatives who live on the same planet could care less? We are busy enjoying our lives and not worrying about junk science. Junkscience.com is a nice site to check out. They put the smackdown on Al Gore all the time. You will notice that Al Gore will NEVER debate global warming with a scientist that thinks he is full of it.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>Notice how conservatives who live on the same planet could care less? We are busy enjoying our lives<< Gee, that sounds almost selfish. >>It pushes their agenda that man is destroying the planet, so everyone out of your SUV now!!<< Ah yes, the movement to ban SUV use completely and immediately. I'm sure there's a source for this notion as well. >>It gets liberal scientists BILLIONS of dollars in funding to do " research "<< Scientists should be banned
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA It gets liberal scientists BILLIONS of dollars in funding to do " research " so they don't have to get a job at the local bead shop or record store.> So, you're telling me that some 'liberal scientist' just wants government money to putter around in a lab and accomplish nothing -- in the name of 'global warming.' That's the stand?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Don't look for logic, Jim. And many scientists are saying that a better name for what is happening would be "climate change" rather than "global warming" per se. Yes, the globe as a whole is getting warmer, but some sections are getting slightly cooler, the storms are becoming more severe and more frequent... basically, the balance is being thrown off.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Of course, climate change has been occurring since the oceans formed. Libya used to be the "breadbox" of the Roman Empire; it didn't turn to desert because the Romans drove SUV's.
Originally Posted By ecdc "Of course, climate change has been occurring since the oceans formed. Libya used to be the "breadbox" of the Roman Empire; it didn't turn to desert because the Romans drove SUV's." This is the new spin by the administration and the documentary addresses it rather well. The "global warming doesn't exist" stance became so laughable that they morphed it into "well, it does, but it's always been happening." It's the same way conservatives morphed creationism into "intelligent design" - it's just another way to spin their agenda. I'll reiterate what has already been said and completely ignored: The lie of conservatives is to attempt to portray this as evenly balanced scales, with arguments on both sides from respected scientists. It's simply not true. The vast, vast majority of respected scientists working for respected, reliable institutions believe global warming is real and that it's the result of human behavior. Nearly all "scientists" who argue otherwise receive their funding from corporate lobby who have a vested business interest in insisting their actions are not responsible.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The "global warming doesn't exist" stance became so laughable that they morphed it into "well, it does, but it's always been happening."> You're mischaracterizing what the arguments have been. <The vast, vast majority of respected scientists working for respected, reliable institutions believe global warming is real and that it's the result of human behavior.> I'm sorry, but I just don't believe this is a fact.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Of course you don't.> I rarely believe things that aren't supported by evidence.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If you looked at actual scientific evidence, and what most scientists in the field believe today, you'd see that most of them believe that climate change is real, and caused by humans. That's simply a fact, whether you like it or not. Doing the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalalalala" won't change that.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <If you looked at actual scientific evidence, and what most scientists in the field believe today, you'd see that most of them believe that climate change is real, and caused by humans.> And where would I go to see that? <That's simply a fact, whether you like it or not.> As I've said before, repeating an assertion does not make it true.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<If you looked at actual scientific evidence, and what most scientists in the field believe today, you'd see that most of them believe that climate change is real, and caused by humans.>> <And where would I go to see that?> Scholarly, peer-reviewed journals on climatology might be a start. <<That's simply a fact, whether you like it or not.>> <As I've said before, repeating an assertion does not make it true.> That's what you usually say when you can't prove your point.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Scholarly, peer-reviewed journals on climatology might be a start.> Which of those would verify that most scientists believe that global warming is caused by humans? <That's what you usually say when you can't prove your point.> No, that's what I usually say when you can't prove yours, but keep repeating it anyway.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Scholarly, peer-reviewed journals on climatology might be a start.>> <Which of those would verify that most scientists believe that global warming is caused by humans?> Pretty much all of them, as soon as you notice that nearly all the scientists who are published in them believe it. <<That's what you usually say when you can't prove your point.>> <No, that's what I usually say when you can't prove yours, but keep repeating it anyway.> Except that I have all those scientists to back me up. And you have...?
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger Well, this just popped up on slashdot: <a href="http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm" target="_blank">http://www.canadafreepress.com /2006/harris061206.htm</a> Opening quote: >> Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention." But surely Carter is merely part of what most people regard as a tiny cadre of "climate change skeptics" who disagree with the "vast majority of scientists" Gore cites? No; Carter is one of hundreds of highly qualified non-governmental, non-industry, non-lobby group climate experts who contest the hypothesis that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are causing significant global climate change. "Climate experts" is the operative term here. Why? Because what Gore's "majority of scientists" think is immaterial when only a very small fraction of them actually work in the climate field. << Someone else pointed out this article by the same Professor Bob Carter: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/sxkue" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/sxkue</a> (goes to telegraph.co.uk) In this article, Carter claims that warming stopped in 1998. (But wasn't 2005 the warmest year on record?)
