Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Trust me , if you are thinking about this from a pure financial stand point it makes perfect sense.> Oh, from a financial standpoint. No wait -- it still doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad Think we will start seeing Marvel character cartoons on the Disney network?
Originally Posted By DAR Plus if you get the 11-17 year old market from the boys with these characters. I got into comics in general when I was that age. You're going to keep them a lot longer than you can with tween girls with Hannah Montana and such.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad I agree. My 12 and 14 year daughters are starting shun Montana whereas I think with boys it is still cool to continue liking the Marvel characters indefinitely. Sort of like how it's cooler to the tweens to still like the Disney villians
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I would have agreed with you also ( my daughter is 15 ) - however yesterday there was a local event ( called Last Fling ) in my home town - draws about 35K people a day ( more last night for Train) - and yesterday they had two characters from Wizards of Waverly place for an appearance. 1000 wrist bands crak of danw, then wait in line for a 3-5 meet and sign. There were more girls my daughters age- and some who drive there, than there were 12 year olds. I was really surprised to tell you the truth. There is anatural break I agree from pop to either rap/urban /country or whatever they're calling some things- but there is still a fairly loyal following up thru at least soph in HS- maybe more. And that group stars at like 5-6 now ( trust me my 7 year old neice and her friends can name every song, every actor and words to most of the songs- so that is a long run of having them marketing wise. I still am queasy about the Marvel fit with Disney. Clearly it does not fit with traditional Disney - and could even hurt it IMHO. The marketing will have to be done carefully.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo The scary thing is look at how poor things like Condor Man and Sky High were by Disney, I am queasy about them ruining Marvel. But I must confess, having a little more testostrone in the DIsney family feels better. I was starting to think you had to be interested in the fey to be a male Disney fan lately. Given I always loved Davy Crockett, Swamp Fox, Johnny Tremain, Zorro, Treasure Island, Kidnapped, 20K, etc., I feel we have been abandoned for a while. Disneyland used to be largely masculine, and the emasculated Disney experience has been very off putting over the last few years (pooh instead of Nemo anyone?)
Originally Posted By DAR <<The scary thing is look at how poor things like Condor Man and Sky High were by Disney>> I've never seen Condor Man but let's look at when that was made. As for Sky High, surely you jest sir.
Originally Posted By Socrates Do you suppose this is how the people of England felt in 1951 when Walt Disney came out with his version of Alice in Wonderland? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "The scary thing is look at how poor things like Condor Man and Sky High were by Disney..." Dave, seriously mate, I am as anti-Disney as you are these days but "Condor Man"?!? That's reaching mate.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorman" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorman</a> Yup, because Condorman sucked, it instantly means the Disney/Marvel alliance will ultimately fail....
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Saw 'Watchmen' yesterday. In a word -- crap. Very typical of the 'superhero' genre in my opinion. Over the top special effects that we've seen so many times before -- violence galore -- blood, guts, exploding bodies, fights, hatred toward women -- lovely. The biggest problem? It was boring as toast. 2 hours and 50 minutes of superheros talking to each other -- including the villain in his Egyptian pyramid themed lair -- monologuing! Just like from 'The Incredibles.' If this is the future of the Superhero movie -- count me out.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Loved "Watchmen" -- though the graphic novel was better than the movie.
Originally Posted By itsme >>Yup, because Condorman sucked, it instantly means the Disney/Marvel alliance will ultimately fail....>> Hey Walt's company once ended up in bankruptcy. Imagine how much more the company could make today if that didn't happen.....
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <^^ I'll disagree with that completely.> Care to elaborate, DAR?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I read the graphic novel a few months before seeing the film. The book is amazing -- it influenced the entire genre, and took a fresh psychological look at what it was that made these folks want to dress up in costumes -- there was a certain kink to that. Some of the heroes were honest, wanted to do good, fight crime, others just enjoyed pulverizing people. Intermingling all of that, plus a graphic novel with a graphic novel (omitted from the film), the whole concept of Nixon not getting caught up in Watergate, the US winning Vietnam, how history might have been altered made for an amazing tale. Much of it was captured in the film, but unfortunately, they made a major change to the ending, which is strange considering so much of the rest of the film is practically a panel-by-panel recreation. The new ending was not as good as what was in the book, though both end up in more or less the same place. I would think reading the book before seeing the movie would help one appreciate the film more. But that said, my wife and son enjoyed the movie just fine having not read the graphic novel.
