Originally Posted By YourPalEd I used to love miniture autopia as a kid, but as an adult it just reminds me of the traffic i have to drive through to get to the park. i think they should use some of the new video projectors, and have you walk through projected fields or a path to a mountain top, where you start your hand gliding experience. The way it is so oddly arranged now, you start out like you are going to be a chuck yeager test pilot, and then instead you hand gliding through trees, and skimmiing the surface of things. It seems off to me, and it's no excuse that the theming is off in other rides disney has done like the tower of terror where you walk from a lobby into a library, into a boiler room to an elevator. I mean, you might after much effort come up with a way to explain it, but the enjoyment factor of the whole ride is better when a story is maintained from beginning to end, along with a theme.
Originally Posted By bean I will not agree or disagree wether Soarins' queue is good or not. I am interested to find out what some of the people that hate would have done dieferently. As far as it representing a hangar in an airfield in the middle of a california desert it is actually quite remarkable. As a matter of fact it is actually overly themed unless you want more fuel drums and planes scraps thrown around the area as well ass oil marks and broken windows. Just out of curiosity what would you guys have done diferently?
Originally Posted By woody "Just out of curiosity what would you guys have done diferently?" Is there LACK of ideas at Disney Imagineering? Perhaps the ideas are locked up in the file cabinet. First, the photographs are lame. How about some exhibits of old aircraft hanging in the entry? An adjacent hangar queue should be constructed so you walk around additional prototype or retired aircraft. Second, the entry screen should have an actual movie of aircraft flying about. The screen of blue sky and clouds are too simplistic. Third, there needs to be a screen cover so when the movie starts, it shows the hangar doors opening. The blue screen is too obvious as a movie screen. Disney lost it's touch.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney I think it would be cool of walking through a tunnel where where you have screens litterally surrounding you and watch clips of amazing aviation feats all around you. It will sort of be like the 9 screen theater technology that use to be at DL and later used for the China exhibit at Epcot and the Timekeeper film at MK, except the screens will be on the floor, walls and ceiling giving you a sense of flying (although maybe a little nausous after awhile ). I think it would be really cool though to see different clips of aircraft such as jets, the Blue angels of course, hang gliding, helicopters, the space shuttle launch and etc. You know, litterally SHOW the pioneering spirit of aviation and it's influence in California and the world. They could even show old Disney movies with aircraft involved like Around the World in 80 days to Dumbo, anything that involves flying, real or fake. Again, this is something that Disney can do in it's sleep. It would give that loooong hallway inside something a little more active, original and fun. Just to litterally give you a sense of flying everywhere you look and turn could be cool and would have the kids glued. They could loop it every 30 minutes or something and add it in the future. Also, it's not something that have to be themed to death like Star Tours, but cool at the same time. This is the kind of stuff I expect Disney to come up with.....not just a bunch of pictures and plaques on a wall.
Originally Posted By bean Is there LACK of ideas at Disney Imagineering? Perhaps the ideas are locked up in the file cabinet. Woody i am not sure what is your problem but there is no reason to be rude. If you want to be rude than we could also. Since when have you been to a hanger that has museum pieces distributed thruout the room. Have you also seen hangers that represent the era that condor flats has with plasma screens. Talk about creativity which is mismatched with pieces that do not even coincide with a certain theme. And last i could just imagine what an eyesore a large screen would look like in front of the loading mechanism. How much diferent is it from an oval metalic structure that not only maches the rest of the structure but c=also serves as a projction devise that is capable of displaying simple things like clouds. And you consider a large screen and added piece of theme. PLEASE. Maybe you need to head out to the desert one of these days and get some sense of what a real airfield looks like. Large metalic structures with little to no vegetation. While you are there ask to see if you could enter inside one and you will realize that many have posters memorabilias of air history. maybe to make you happy we could go ahead and ad a few posters of nude air bunnies to ad more theming. To be creative you must first have an dea that could be carried on from beginning to end. Large plasma screen and museum pieces and an extra structure for a queue is not the answer. Hell even the overhead shade that was added fit the theming more than another large metal structure that would just make the area feel crowded. You want to be rude than that is your problem. I asked the question not because creativity is lost in WDI or because its locked up in a cabinet. I asked because this is a discussion board. If you ask me i am glad you have no say in Imagineering because with your atitude we would all be worse off
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^Bean, I guess how you interpret things is a very individualistic thing, but I don't think Woody was trying to be rude at ALL!! At least not directly at you. He asked a general question if Disney has to search for good idea's? It didn't come across as offensive to me. Maybe he was trying to be lol, but it seemed like he was just setting up a question and giving his own idea's on the topic (which I actually like ), and still ALOT better than what's there and like or hate a single idea, the point is that there are MUCH better things they could've come up with. I don't think anyone was trying to blow it up to be a huge Anti-DCA issue or anything, but making the point their premiere attraction should have created something more memorable from beginning to end, to compliment the actual ride, instead of basically putting in one of the dullest queues in the place. But, that's just me ;D.
Originally Posted By Mandelbrot In defense of Woody, I wouldn't say his comments were rude. And this is from someone who almost never agrees with him. But this time I do. There very little that can be done to enhance Soarin's quqeue without some major reconstruction. The indoor portion of the queue consists of three long narrow hallways with not a whole lotta space to work with. The one bit of "show" that was supposed to part of the waiting-in-line experience was the overhead screens depicting planes flying overhead. That effect was obviously cut, but at great expense to the waiting-in-line experience. I find the queue, as it is, to be the most painful and drab queue in either park, and by a wide margin.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd In defense of Arnold. When the hurricane struck he sent california national guard immediately to help. I personally appreciated seeing him with the Salvation Army the next day, and they got past the fema blockade and actually helped some people. The Salvation Army saved my granddad when thousands of soldiers were sick with the flu in the trenchs during WWI. I remember it repeated that the red cross were no where to be seen, while the Salvation Sallies were right there in the trenchs helping the sick soldiers. Thanks Arnold! You might sell California's power grid back to the greedy capitalists, causing immediate black outs throughout los angeles, but still, you have a bit of leadership ability no other republican thief seems to have.
Originally Posted By woody "If you want to be rude than we could also." I wasn't trying to be rude, but obvious that Imagineering has lost it's way. "Since when have you been to a hanger that has museum pieces distributed thruout the room. Have you also seen hangers that represent the era that condor flats has with plasma screens. Talk about creativity which is mismatched with pieces that do not even coincide with a certain theme." I have one word. BIG THUNDER MOUNTAIN RAILROAD. It is portrayed as an abandoned mine shaft and it has lots of antique museum pieces tucked away as authentic pieces of the era. The abandoned hangar could have been modified as an hangar brought back into life as a museum with lots of period aircraft and parts. They already have them throughout the property. Also, the plasma screens wouldn't be out of place anymore than the photographs hanging on the wall. Let's increase the entertainment value. "To be creative you must first have an dea that could be carried on from beginning to end. Large plasma screen and museum pieces and an extra structure for a queue is not the answer." You explained the loss of creativity. I will stick with this position.
Originally Posted By Nobody Arnold doesn't seem very responsive to your pleas. Perhaps, since Disney is incorporated in Delaware, you should appeal to Ruth Ann Minner? It's worth a try. You couldn't get any less response.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Ah, an intelligent, and honest woman, Ruth Ann Minner. So, of course she is a democrat.
Originally Posted By bean "If you want to be rude than we could also." I wasn't trying to be rude, but obvious that Imagineering has lost it's way." sorry i missed understood you, but you must realize that sometimes comments like these seam offensive. It is not that imagineering has lost its way. Disney is a very large company and it is still growing and money spent is scrutinized for every project. If imagineering was given an unlimited budget you would see some very incredible projects. If you could convince investor to give up on seeing constant growth for awhile or convince millions of people to help other division of the company by seeing disney movies, buying their products then maybe the people in charge of the money would be more wlling to open up their pockets.
Originally Posted By woody "It is not that imagineering has lost its way. Disney is a very large company and it is still growing and money spent is scrutinized for every project." So when they mess up their projects, the scrutiny breaks down. That's my assessment!!! "If imagineering was given an unlimited budget you would see some very incredible projects. If you could convince investor to give up on seeing constant growth for awhile or convince millions of people to help other division of the company by seeing disney movies, buying their products then maybe the people in charge of the money would be more wlling to open up their pockets." It doesn't work this way!!! No wonder Disney is messed up. People pay for the value of the product. They don't pay in advance. There's no guarantee that Disney will open their wallets when people do spend more money. In fact, there's precedent that Disney will simply take the money and count it as profits and boast about returning value to the shareholders. Disney will leave their customers high and dry. This is the reason I have stopped buy Disney merchandise and watching Disney movies. There's nothing good to buy. Disney IS PROFITABLE yet they continue to put out crap like the movie HERBIE. I can't believe you'll tell people to see this lousy remake so Disney will start develop better things. NO, Disney made Herbie because its cheap and there's no creativity left in the company. Back to you.
Originally Posted By woody Another thing, if you do buy Disney's latest crap in large quantities, you'll get more of it. That's my fear. Boycott Herbie and DCA.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Sob, sniff, sniff...Please, Arnold...I'm begging you...the coaster, c'mon now, enough is enough. The world will be better off, California will be better off, if i get to be flipped upside down in the coaster's loop again. It will bring you good luck even. I guarantee it, the good luck that is. I can't guarantee you the election, but you'll gain at least one vote I suspect.
