Originally Posted By Elderp After reading these posts I find it hilarious the comments by people who are not LDS as to what exactly our religion is. DlandDug you know I like you as a friend but I am sorry that you have some of our basic religious doctorines confused. If you (or anyone) are interested in some basic beliefs I suggest you go to: <a href="http://www.mormon.org/welcome/0" target="_blank">http://www.mormon.org/welcome/ 0</a>,6929,403-1,00.html Just for the record we believe that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct members of the Godhead. Three personages, one purpose.
Originally Posted By Elderp ":that Mormons are required to believe everything every one of their leaders says. " Here is a quote from the Book of Mormon: 3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts. 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. 5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things. " We believe all you have to do is ask God. If it is true he will tell you and if it isn't then don't believe it.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Just for the record we believe that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct members of the Godhead." I believe that's what I said. "And that's why some have faith to believe that God became a human" But, of course. Perfectly logical. Airtight. What color was his hat?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I don't. It just happens.> Not that you'd listen to any advice from me, but most things don't "just happen" over and over. If something keeps happening to you, maybe you are doing something to cause it. And if you don't want it to happen, maybe you should consider changing something you are doing.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Do you realize that what you said was PRECISELY what people said about Kennedy and the Vatican?<< An important difference was that JFk was a Democrat. The Dems do not rely on the Evangelical vote to win. The GOP does.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Just for the record we believe that God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct members of the Godhead.> Are they the only members of the Godhead, or are there more?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <An important difference was that JFk was a Democrat. The Dems do not rely on the Evangelical vote to win.> Weren't the last two Democrats to win the Presidency members of Evangelical churches?
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Mormons believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three SEPARATE beings, and are not three facets of the same single creator. They don't follow the concept of the Trinity and do not consider Jesus as the same entity as God at all. This little alteration is apparently big enough to have Mormons be called tools of the devil by some.<< I think what really gets the LDS into hot water with the Evangelicals was their introduction of new scripture. This was the unforgivable sin. as Evangelicals take Sola Scriptura very seriously.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I'd rather have a Mormon President than an Evangelical.<< I believe that many share your sentiment. But the GOP can't win without the Evangelical vote.
Originally Posted By alexbook >>>>Do you realize that what you said was PRECISELY what people said about Kennedy and the Vatican?<< An important difference was that JFk was a Democrat. The Dems do not rely on the Evangelical vote to win. The GOP does.<< Not back then. JFK carried most of the old South: <a href="http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/evote.php?year=1960&f=0" target="_blank">http://www.uselectionatlas.org /RESULTS/evote.php?year=1960&f=0</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I'll add one last word.<< Would that you could. >>Your citations are worthless because they are used with a funamentally flawed premise: that Mormons are required to believe everything every one of their leaders says.<< The citations I refer to are not from the Journal of Discourses, but rather the ones you chided me for in post 68 ("...complete with Mormon scripture and all."). If you are saying that the Book of Mormon is not a reliable guide to what Mormons believe, then I will bow out and leave it to the experts. >>So one more time, your obscure Brigham Young quotes are meaningless to Mormons but mean loads to Evangelicals trying to convince themselves that Mormonism ain't up to snuff.<< I have read post 20 over and over, and find nothing there that even remotely criticizes the Mormon faith. It is a cogent example of the type of argument that could be leveled against the candidacy of Mitt Romney. And that is, after all, the actual topic at hand, is it not? >>But then they routinely dismiss diametrically opposed statements from the Bible. But that must be different. Somehow.<< Where? When? At no time in this discussion has anyone cited "diametrically opposed statements from the Bible." And if they did, what possible bearing would they have on the topic at hand?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Weren't the last two Democrats to win the Presidency members of Evangelical churches?>> Well, I'll give you that on Carter. As far as Slick goes, I think he was a member of The Church of the Most Holy Bifurcated V.
Originally Posted By alexbook >><An important difference was that JFk was a Democrat. The Dems do not rely on the Evangelical vote to win.> Weren't the last two Democrats to win the Presidency members of Evangelical churches? << Yep. So's Al Gore. Recent Presidents's religions: George W. Bush - Methodist (raised as Episcopalian) Bill Clinton - Baptist George H. W. Bush - Episcopalian Ronald Reagan - "Christian" (raised as Disciples of Christ, but not a church-goer as an adult) Jimmy Carter - Baptist Gerald Ford - Episcopalian Richard Nixon - Quaker Lyndon Johnson - Disciples of Christ John Kennedy - Catholic Dwight Eisenhower - Presbyterian (raised as Jehovah's Witness) Harry Truman - Southern Baptist Franklin Roosevelt - Episcopalian The full list is here: <a href="http://www.adherents.com/adh_presidents.html" target="_blank">http://www.adherents.com/adh_p residents.html</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>After reading these posts I find it hilarious the comments by people who are not LDS as to what exactly our religion is.<< And yet I find it not at all hilarious that others are just as sure they know exactly what Christians believe. The difference is that I have made a sincere study of both. >>If you (or anyone) are interested in some basic beliefs I suggest you go to: <a href="http://www.mormon.org/welcome/" target="_blank">http://www.mormon.org/welcome/</a> 0,6929,403-1,00.html<< No need, as I have readily available copies of The Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines and Covenants, Gospel Principles, and A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, along with any number of other standard Mormon texts. (Assuming that real Mormons actually believe any of these anymore.)
