Captain Hook's Pirate Ship Ready To Collapse?

Originally Posted By dagobert

Thanks for the informations, Dave! At my parent's house I have a Disneyland Anaheim postcard book from the 60s or 70s and I think I have seen the picture there.

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

Disney Gazette has posted some pictures of what's going on at the resort at the moment.

Disney has started to dismantle the ship:
<a href="http://www.disneygazette.fr/rehabilitation-chateau-galion-avant-premiere-cars-2-journees-soif-de-vivre-2011-news-518.html" target="_blank">http://www.disneygazette.fr/re...518.html</a>

You have to scroll down a bit.

I can't wait until the ship is refurbished. It was in such a bad state and it was really sad to see the ship in that condition.

 

Originally Posted By FerretAfros

>>Didn't the original Fantasyland feature a Skull Rock as well? I have seen an old picture of DL and there was a ship next to Skull Rock, but it seemed to be bigger than the one in Paris.<<

It actually wasn't part of the 'original' park that opened in 1955. While the ship was there from the very beginning, Skull Rock wasn't added until around '61. I'm not sure what inspired them to add it, but it definitely added a lot to the atmosphere of the area (in pictures, at least, since I wasn't around before they tore it out).

As a side note, I just realized that there's a small waterfall in the place of DL's Skull Rock now. I guess they needed something to transition from Monstro to the landscaping, but it's interesting that they went with something so similar to what was there before (just without the Skull Rock itself).

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

Here's the history of the two Captain Hook ships:

<a href="http://www.yesterland.com/pirateship.html" target="_blank">http://www.yesterland.com/pira...hip.html</a>

"You have missed out Hans, Adventure Isle is fantastic, with skeletons, treasure, a hidden skull over a rock throne, a seasaw rock, the bridges like TSI, and the roots of the treehouse where you can peer up for a new perspective (this inspired much of the look of Animal Kingdom including the Tree of Life)."

I've been to DLP three times and never bothered to visit because I'm usually just visiting for the day, but I'll be sure to check it the next time. I've only stayed overnight once.

 

Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1

"I was devostated when DL's fantasyland opened without it"

You might be interested to know that Tony Baxter ordered Hook's ship removed from the new FL but then later MIGHTILY regretted it! He admitted it was a very big mistake.

 

Originally Posted By FerretAfros

I thought that the plan was to try and relocate the pirate ship to the space that became Videopolis/Fantasyland Theater/Princess Fantasy Fair. The story I heard was that there was significant damage to the ship from removing and transporting it, and it would have just been too difficult to justify putting it back together. It would have been interesting to see how that would have worked out! That area has always seemed out of place to me, so it's an interesting concept to carry on the Fantasyland theme back there (and even more interesting, considering how far removed from the Peter Pan attraction it would be).

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

Ferret, you have no idea how happy I'd be if they did that! I absolutely hate that boring looking theater.

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

>>The size is your imagination, the one in DLP is huge compared to DL's. The skull rock in DL was about 10% of the size of DLP's, but it was set up high on some fake rock work with waterfalls making it feel bigger than it was.<<

I think there was a misunderstanding, because I was talking about the ship. The ship seen in the artcile Dr. Hans Reainhardt provided seems to be bigger than the ship in DLP.

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

Oh, sorry. Hmmmm, difficult to tell as I was a child, but I do not think there was that big a difference in size, the DL one was more rounded though.

But DL is a lot smaller than DLP, so I could see the Jolly Roger in Paris seeming smaller. Just like the Transport building on Main Street in DLP is the size of Disneyland's castle. The two parks are hugely different scales.

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

>>Just like the Transport building on Main Street in DLP is the size of Disneyland's castle<<

Really? I didn't know that. I know that the Transport building resmebles the castle.

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

Yep, DL feels very toy like in comparison, that is a part of it's magic. There cram so many amazing things in such a small area. There are not the walk through attractions or sense of space like in DLP. Heck, adventureland, Frontierland, New Orleans Square and Critter Country would probably fit in the space of DLP's Frontierland and the bit up to the tree house of Adventureland, and yet in that space you have about 16 attractions.

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

Isn't DLP the biggest MK style park? Maybe SHDL will be bigger.

Guest traffic must be terrible during the peak season at DL.

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

DLP is indeed the biggest, I think HKDL is the smallest with DL being the next smallest.

Adventureland and parts of Tomorrowland can be a nightmare at DL (as well as New Orleans Square before Fantasmic). Though the 500,000 annual pass holders and fast pass do not help matters either.

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

"Hmmmm, difficult to tell as I was a child, but I do not think there was that big a difference in size, the DL one was more rounded though."

In comparing the photos in the link there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between the size of the two ships. The DLP version does look slightly larger overall, but not tremendously so.

"Isn't DLP the biggest MK style park? Maybe SHDL will be bigger."

I always thought that TDL was the largest in area simply because of it's gigantic central plaza (the castle had to be pushed back farther in order for the top to be seen from inside World Bazaar's glass canopy). I could be wrong though. I suspect that Davewasbaloo is more knowledgeable about this than I am.

"Guest traffic must be terrible during the peak season at DL."

It is, although DL does have more attractions than any of the other parks, so I guess that helps a bit.

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

Lol Hans, TDL was the largest, until DLP came along. There are unused expansion pads still and the walk throughs make the place seem smaller than it really is.

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

According to Wikipedia the Disneyland Park in Paris is the biggest in terms of size:
Disneyland Paris: 566,560 m² (140 acres), Disneyland Park is the largest Disney park based on the original in California."

Tokyo Disneyland: 465,000 m² (115 acres)

Hong Kong Disneyland: 224,000 m² (55 acres), it will be expanded to 274,000 m² (68 acres) when three new themed areas are completed.

Magic Kingdom: 433,014 m² (107 acres)

I couldn't find any numbers of DL Anaheim.

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

I think DL is around 85 acres. Not sure what that is in square meters.

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

Hook's ship is now behind a printed scaffolding:

<a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150706733915615&set=pu.278714015614&type=1&theater" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/photo....&theater</a>

It doesn't look that bad, but I expected something better. Hopefully the refurbed galley returns soon.

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

Accordinf to InsideDLParis the galley will reopen on October 23rd.

<a href="http://twitpic.com/67hp2e" target="_blank">http://twitpic.com/67hp2e</a>

 

Originally Posted By dagobert

Progress on the ship:
<a href="http://twitpic.com/71acn6" target="_blank">http://twitpic.com/71acn6</a>