Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan "my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators" VP Cheney, May 2003 "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." VP Cheney, May 2005 This guy has had it wrong all along. But clearly, he has his fans & followers.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <April has been the most violent month of 2007. I'd say that is progress,yes. Just not for us.> One data point does not mean a trend. I would think someone who got a A+ in logic would know that. To say that because car bombings are up this month we are losing the war is as silly as saying a week of record cold temperatures proves that global warming isn't happening. And besides, how does one calculate "violence"? What's the scale, and what have been the ratings for the last 24 months?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I don't know what you mean by that?> I mean the car bombings will go down as the surge progresses. <Yes, by redefining victory. Which means we could have won this thing three years ago. Just stop counting what we don't like, counting what we do, and call it a day. Would save a lot of American lives and have gotten us the hell out of there years ago.> I disagree. <Now compare that with the idea that suddenly the car bombs don't count.> Again, they are not saying that car bombs don't count. What they are saying is that they don't believe the number of car bombs are an indicator of whether or not the surge is working. <It comes down to was this administration lying then, or are they lying now?> No, it doesn't.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <This guy has had it wrong all along.> I disagree. I think he has been more right than a lot of his critics.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I mean the car bombings will go down as the surge progresses<< Especially as we stop counting them as a measure of the effectiveness of the surge. >>What they are saying is that they don't believe the number of car bombs are an indicator of whether or not the surge is working.<< Well, now you want it both ways. On the one hand, you say the car bombings will decrease as a result of the surge. On the other, the car bombings aren't indicative of the surge's effectiveness. You're making me dizzy. >>I disagree.<< Yes, of course you do. You're a diehard fan of the guy. I don't recall you ever parting company from him. >>I think he has been more right than a lot of his critics.<< Except for the whole being greeted as liberators and last throes of the insurgency thing.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Especially as we stop counting them as a measure of the effectiveness of the surge.> Of course not. Again, we're still counting them. <Well, now you want it both ways. On the one hand, you say the car bombings will decrease as a result of the surge. On the other, the car bombings aren't indicative of the surge's effectiveness. You're making me dizzy.> I never said the car bombings aren't indicative of the surge's effectiveness. I said they are a trailing indicator. This means it may take some time before the effects of the surge affects the number of car bombings. <I don't recall you ever parting company from him.> I don't recall you ever agreeing with him. <Except for the whole being greeted as liberators and last throes of the insurgency thing.> Even then.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I think he [cheney] has been more right than a lot of his critics. To this day cheney still says that there were ties between saddam and bin laden, iraq and al qaeda. Absolutely everyone else acknowleges that it's not true (except presumeably, YOU), but he steadfastly continues to bang away with justifications that were long ago discredited. Cheney has no credibility, and he knows it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan This means it may take some time before the effects of the surge affects the number of car bombings.<< Except the administration isn't counting those death totals in relation to the surge. So we'll never know. >>I don't recall you ever agreeing with him.<< Thnk you for noticing. >>Even then.<< Only in Neocon Fantasyland, the place he spends most of his time. And you have an annual pass.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj I guess as long as we're not counting the car bombs, we can also ignore the fact that the Taliban appears to be coming back in Afghanistan. I wonder how Afghanistan would have turned out if we hadn't shifted all of our resources and priorities to Iraq?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Absolutely everyone else acknowleges that it's not true (except presumeably, YOU), but he steadfastly continues to bang away with justifications that were long ago discredited.> They've only been discredited amongst those who don't want to believe the truth.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Except the administration isn't counting those death totals in relation to the surge. So we'll never know.> Except, again, we are still counting them, so we will know. <Only in Neocon Fantasyland, the place he spends most of his time. > No, here in the real world. It's you who is avoiding reality on this issue.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I guess as long as we're not counting the car bombs, we can also ignore the fact that the Taliban appears to be coming back in Afghanistan.> They've been "appearing to be coming back" for months now. This is the same negative thinking that kept saying Iraq is "sliding into a Civil War", even though it never happened.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>This is the same negative thinking<< Delusional thinking gave us "Mission Accomplished" 4 years ago today. Last throes, greeted as liberators, etc. All stuff from the administration you're such a fan of. Congratulations.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 2oony: <Only in Neocon Fantasyland, the place he spends most of his time. And you have an annual pass.> OMG! ROTFLMAO! AOAA!! (And other assorted acronyms). DD: <This is the same negative thinking that kept saying Iraq is "sliding into a Civil War", even though it never happened.> It never happened? I'd say that gets Doug a LIFETIME pass.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Today, I've decided to stop counting my personal, out-of-pocket medical expenses. So I wanted to announce here... Guess what everybody -- I just got a raise! whoo-hoo!
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I would like to announce that I've decided not to count those extra pounds and I now have the body of a super model. I'm off to the DMV to change my stats.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Cookies are health food! Up is down! Bad is good! Right is left! Ketchup is a vegetable! The Bush Administration rocks!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Posts by people that question excluding car bomb deaths in the death toll no longer count. As we can plainly see, the administration's approach now enjoys 100% support here.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Yay! Seven more posts and not one cogent argument amongst them. Congradulations.
