Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Really, though, aren't the flying saucers better left in the nostalgic dustbin of history rather than rehashed for today's more sophisticated audience?
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff well Churro, Do you think Aquatopia in TDS shouldn't be there? It uses the same technology and is very popular. It works on a very small layer of water and doesn't really float over a large body of water. Luigi's follows its concept which is based on the same Saucer ideas. But being as we'll be in desert instead of on the water, we will wind up playing around with a bunch of tires at Luigi's shop. I believe this ride will go over very well with young kids and Disney fans that have a great nostalgic memory for the old tomorrowland. I also think that no audience is too sophisticated for fun. There are many basic and generic rides in TDS, particularly in Mermaid Lagoon's main building under King Triton's Castle. The difference is that they have so much theming and atmosphere it simply makes the experience greatly better than at a normal park. That is the Disney difference. The one we didn't get when this park opened.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Do you think Aquatopia in TDS shouldn't be there? " I thought Aquatopia wasn't a bumping attraction, although it looks like it. It just has boats that float around which have near misses. I don't see the nostalgia factor. It's going to have a completely different look to it. I also don't think nostalgia for old Disneyland is appropriate. I think that is a very bad trend and is simply not what the place should be about. Nostalgia for things in the public's mind is great, nostalgia for old theme park rides that got ripped out is kind of bizarre. But that's what has happened to the place. It's all about them now, instead of being about us.
Originally Posted By dshyates From what I understand the Saucers were very popular, but the tech they used didn't work resulting in it being removed. I think it will be a fun and highly themed C-Ticket. Jon you have supported the use of MM and OS as acceptable because Walt used Dumbo and all parks need C-Ticket attractions to flesh out an area. This is what they are doing with much richer themeing and unique, not off the shelf, ride systems. This kind of attraction is what the detractors have said all along should have been utilized as opposed to a portable Mack Mouse with thin and yet garish themeing and a generic Wave Swinger wrapped in an orange peel. Mater and Luigi's in a highly themed and bermed Carsland is a thousand times more of what I expect from a Disney Destination Resort than the thinly veiled carnival rides. IMHO.
Originally Posted By ni_teach The Aquatopia is NOT the same tech as the Saucers. The Aquatopia uses the same tech as the pooh ride and the cars do not touch each other and the riders can not control the cars. The Saucers are hovercraft bumper cars which the riders can control. Personally I look forward to this one attraction. I also predict that this is going to be very popular and have very, very long lines.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I predict the same thing. Particularly if Bob Gurr is right and the technical problems the old saucers had can be ironed out. Controlling your own vehicle is always fun and if it works well, it won't be quite like anything at any other park I can think of.
Originally Posted By jonvn "This is what they are doing with much richer themeing and unique, not off the shelf, ride systems." I don't have a problem with these types of rides. I don't think that they should base them off of nostalgia for old Disneyland. I think they should look outward for their themes, not inward.
Originally Posted By dshyates Nostalgia in Americana has always been part of the Disney formula. And Disney and Disneyland are a major part of Americana in the last half of the 20th century. A tip of the hat in a minor c-ticket, especially to such a uniquely Disney and visually memorable attraction that from what I understand was and will be a lot of fun, is what Disney is about to me. The cartoons in everything is new, but I'll take cartoons in charming attractions over no toons in carnival rides. I guess you can't have everything.
Originally Posted By jonvn "And Disney and Disneyland are a major part of Americana in the last half of the 20th century. " When the place opened in 1955, Disney was already part of Americana. They have totally abandoned the idea about their parks being about anything but themselves. It's like watching a movie about movie making, over and over again. "I'll take cartoons in charming attractions over no toons in carnival rides" You shouldn't, because this is how they are able to foist what is basically the same ride over and over again onto us. You don't like "carnival rides?" Well, neither do I. But you know what? As much as I dislike them, I'd rather have nice ones of those than the endless repetition of cartoon after cartoon after cartoon. Now we hear they are going to maybe take out COP in WDW and replace it with...The Incredibles! It's basically lousy. I don't watch cartoons all the time, neither does the younger set in my house. If that's all they can do, they are absolutely going to start damaging their customer base.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Now we hear they are going to maybe take out COP in WDW and replace it with...The Incredibles!" Are you serious??
Originally Posted By bean "FerretAfros Sun 10/21/2007 4:14p Is it just me, or does the race thing seem to take up an ungodly ammount of land? Looking at where I see DCA falling horribly short in several years (after all the placemaking stuff is done) is that they aren't being very aware of their space limitations. Sure, they still have the rest of the Timon Lot, possibly some room behind Screamin' and maybe a sliver of space by the GCH, but that's not all that much. DL is packed with attractions that are all well thought out and use the spaces very well. Even some of the newer attractions like Indy and Splash are shaped to relate to the ammount of room they had to work with. It seems like the race track (at least the outdoor part) just takes up a ton of room without much concern for how it's being used. I don't know the exact dimensions, but going by the pictures I've seen, I would guess that it's an area about the same size as the 1959 northeast expansion to DL that had the Monorail, Matterhorn, Submarine Voyage, Motor Boat Cruise, and two Autopias. While it may be impractical to compare this to the building regulations of the late 50's, it's still clear that there is a lot of space that is just being thrown away because they aren't planning the track that well. (Speaking of which, it seems to look different in each picture of it I see, so maybe they haven't completely worked it out yet) While the land will have some minor attractions, I can't help but to think that they could easily be placed in the empty spots of the racers without too much detriment to either of them. Shops and restuarants could also be placed here to help use the area better. While I will be the first to admit that I don't know the exact plans for the area, I still think they need to be careful. If DCA is as popular as this stuff makes it look like it will be, then they will need a lot of room for future expansion. And if it doesn't do as well, then they woudl probably need to add more stuff. Either way, there will be additions outside of the current park boundaries. The way they are building right now, they aren't thinking very far in the future, which is a problem in Anaheim more than any other Disney resort in the world. " The land is being built as a doundation for future development. As the eyars go by empty areas within the land will be filled in. Instead of building the land small and compact and then have no room to grow or have oddly shaped areas (think HPB and how TOT had to be put in a corner) the land is designed with outlets to expand out as well as within
Originally Posted By bean oh and there was talk of maybe adding a mini autopia in Cars Land. That could always be a possibility within the land and its open areas. It could even have elevated areas that go over some of the desert areas of Cars Speed racers
Originally Posted By Daannzzz CarsLand looks to be the kind of theming I expect from Disney. Aside from the attractions there all being based on another animated feature I think it looks like a great land with lots of atmosphere and potential. I would love to se emore of this kind of fun, extensive themeing done without a animated tie in.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros That makes me feel a lot better about the whole Carsland expansion now. While I would rather not have the area all based on one land, I'm fine with it as long as they do a good job, which seems to be done. Knowing that they at least realize that they are using a ton of land and there could be more stuff there in the future really gives me a lot more hope for that area. Now, if they could only fix the name.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Is it possible that a mini-Autopia in Carsland might pave the way for the real Autopia to get replaced? I'd love to see that swath of land between Fantasyland and Tomorrowland get a new E-ticket. Maybe Mission Space? Also, I predict that the Flying Hubcap concoction will either be drastically changed or nixxed altogether. The low capacity, noise, risks and maintenance costs will all be evaluated and the conclusion will be obvious. I know Lasseter was excited about it (for nostalgic reasons as mentioned earlier) but the emotional will give way to the logical sooner or later.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Don't think it will necessarily be as noisy, risky, and high-maintenance as the original saucers. Bob Gurr said today's technology would take care of most of the saucers' problems. Low capacity - yes, but no lower than Dumbo, teacups, or other cycle rides.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf If I'm looking at the art correctly, it appears that there will be only 1 rider per flying saucer. Plus, Dumbo has 16 elephants, right? Are they gonna have that many flying hubcaps scooting about? If so, the turnaround time for the ride will be high - much higher than Dumbo. So I am guessing capacity will be half of what Dumbo's is. And that's just the capacity problem...
Originally Posted By dshyates From what I've heard Luigi's will have 2 sides to the ride with one side operating while the other is loading. I don't know how many saucers per side. But there should be almost no down time. It called and Alternating Cycle ride. Mater's on the other hand will be the low capacity attraction as it really is just a cycle spinner similar in capacity to Dumbo.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yes, the original saucers had two sides, and I'm sure the new one will too. It will still be low capacity, but not lower than Dumbo.
