Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<If you look at what the new thrill ride/attractions have done for the other parks then it would only make sense to build a new E-ticket in the MK>> I don't think the World's most attended theme park needs something to increase it's draw. I cannot possibly conceive that the MK will build a thrill ride. Either you understand the connection to Walt that the COP has or you don't, or don't care.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Enough with the thrill stuff -- WDW is NOT a thrill park. It's great to have a mix, but destroying all the old for boring playrounds or the exact opposite- thrill rides ony I hope is not the future of WDW. I only hope that Lasseter's love for Disney will keep this from happening.... I have no problem adding a thrill ride - hey all I've been told is there is plenty of room between the POO playground and Toontown -- build it there, but no more subtractions of classics for whee ! rides. The core audience is not yet teenagers. The people buying DVC units hand over fist still seem to prefer WDW to IOA for instance. p.s. if the Studios are rejuvenated and this is as good as it's going to get there, that park is in trouble. Today because of only adding thrill rides it truly is a park without an identity and the bottom of many peoples lists of the 4 parks. They have to decide, is it a studio or IOA lite ?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I'm truly stunned RT that you have never bothered with TSI! Even the kids kinda know it IS a pain to get over there but those caves are so COOL as in neat and temp wise on a hot day. Get your butt on the raft! Relax at Aunt Polly's too.
Originally Posted By Labuda Skellington88, why do you insist on coming here intermittently and positng these wild rumors with no basis in reality? It does get a bit tiresome.
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Originally Posted By Lewis Goofy <<Either you understand the connection to Walt that the COP has or you don't, or don't care.<< I understand the connection with Walt and COP but I would think that Walt would agree that he built this attraction for GE and once it got dated Walt would have replaced it. Walt Disney embraced technology and change and would not want his parks to become stagnant IMO.
Originally Posted By Lewis Goofy <<Enough with the thrill stuff -- WDW is NOT a thrill park. The core audience is not yet teenagers.<< Never said that the core audience is teenagers...but the thrills I am talking about are Disney thrills like Soarin and Mission Space that whole families can enjoy. Walt was an innovator and I beleive he would have embraced new ride technology and placed it in his parks.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Lewis Goofy wrote: <<but I would think that Walt would agree that he built this attraction for GE and once it got dated Walt would have replaced it.>> I am sure you are exactly right, but... To me the COP is like, well...like let me tell you a story. My dad passed away a few years ago. One thing that he left behind was a pair of his favorite walking shoes. He was an avid walker. Well, missing him so as we were VERY close, I kept and still have his walking shoes. They are totally useless to me, but keeping them around reminds me of him, allows me to have some small item that was his. The COP is the ONLY attraction in the MK, that you can see, hear, and almost feel Walt himself at. To get rid of it would be like me throwing out dad's old shoes. It's not so much about what Walt would want in my mind, my dad would certainly think it silly for me to keep his shoes. It's more about just keeping something, anything, that was so closely connected to the man himself. I know the attraction is dated, I know in fact it sort of sucks. But it has become a family tradition of ours, and my kids don't love it, but they don't hate it either.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Never said that the core audience is teenagers...but the thrills I am talking about are Disney thrills like Soarin and Mission Space that whole families can enjoy. Walt was an innovator and I beleive he would have embraced new ride technology and placed it in his parks. < take a look at the lines ( or lack of) for MS....I don't think the whole family is enjoying, and I hardly consider Soarin' a thrill ride....I love the attraction, but thrill ride, um no
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I hardly consider Soarin' a thrill ride....I love the attraction, but thrill ride, um no>. The "problem" with Soarin' is it has a relatively high height requirement, discounting it from being a true family attraction.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 and the funny thing about that height requirement -- the taller you are the more uncomfortable the ride -- the seating area is not made for guests over 6 foot tall....so much of your though hangs off the seat, it feels like a bad ski lift --balance wise
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "It is long past time that this attraction should be retired. This is one attraction that I hear the most negitive comments about...it is boring, great place to nap ect. It is really sad to hear comments like those and I would rather see it be retired and a new thrill ride built in its place IMO. " What a surprising opinion coming from the top Disney apologist on the board. Yes. Let's replace a classic attraction, albeit one that needs significant updating, with a 2-minute thrill ride. After all, Disney parks are all about thrills, right? AA's? Shows that last 20 minutes? HAH! Those are the things of the past. We wants roller coasters! "If you look at what the new thrill ride/attractions have done for the other parks then it would only make sense to build a new E-ticket in the MK and in Tomorrowland." You mean like gutting Space Mountain and making it new and relavent again? Not a history lesson? Just like what should be done with CoP. "Motors, TOT and RnRC have rejuvenated the Studios," The Studios have serious problems, and not even just the ridiculous hat and crazy development. Motors is a stunt show and it's hardly been the attendance driver Disney hoped for, and in a huge NASCAR market, that's telling. And ToT? The attraction, while great, is a dozen years old now. "Everest has boosted attendance in AK... " Everest hasn't even opened yet. Let's see what it does in its first year. "MS, TT and Soarin have breathed new life in Epcot future world and a new E-ticket in Tomorrowland would make the best MK even better IMO. Yes it is time to retire COP, after all it is just a commercial for GE products." GE hasn't sponsored the attraction in a decade. And if you think WDW's MK is the best, you really need to leave the trailer on 192 and get out more often!
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "I understand the connection with Walt and COP but I would think that Walt would agree that he built this attraction for GE and once it got dated Walt would have replaced it. Walt Disney embraced technology and change and would not want his parks to become stagnant IMO." You mean like the MK? You know the place, right? The one that hasn't gotten a major addition since Splash Mountain opened when the other Bush was prez. Nah, nope. Sure no stagnation there. The 20,000 Leagues lagoon wasn't filled with stagnant water for more than a decade before it was replaced with vastly superior technological wonder that is Poo's Playground. "Never said that the core audience is teenagers...but the thrills I am talking about are Disney thrills like Soarin and Mission Space that whole families can enjoy." Mission Space is the antithesis of a family ride, Goof. "Walt was an innovator and I beleive he would have embraced new ride technology and placed it in his parks. " Really? I think he would have gone for cheap bodily function humor attractions like Stitch's Great Escape.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The 20,000 Leagues lagoon wasn't filled with stagnant water for more than a decade before it was replaced with vastly superior technological wonder that is Poo's Playground. < a fellow disciple.....my eyes teared up just reading a fellow poster with this opinion
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney ^^Thanks. But I just feel dirty even responding to LG. I firmly believe he's a troll and I should know better than to feed him.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Never said that the core audience is teenagers...but the thrills I am talking about are Disney thrills like Soarin and Mission Space that whole families can enjoy.>> I LOVE Mission Space. It is my favorite thrill ride anywhere. But a ride whole families can enjoy? I don't think so. Many adults who don't think twice about getting on the Rock N Roller won't even try Mission Space.
Originally Posted By wdwfan1 My two cents for what it's worth... We visited Disney every year since 1982. At that time our kids were 3 & 4.. They loved every aspect of Disney. When they reached their teenage years, certain attraction started to bore them, and as they moved through their teens they became more and more less excited about going to Disney with us.. We need to try to keep the teens from leaving Disney for Universal. But, we need to keep the few remaining attractions alive in Walt's honor, but also move ahead in other areas and keep the parks fresh, alive and vibrant! IMO.. My kids have now returned with thier own children to repeat the process of going to "The Happiest Place On Earth" THEY DO COME BACK!!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<We need to try to keep the teens from leaving Disney for Universal.>> Disney needs to do this, but parents need to let children make up there own minds. In my opinion, of course.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<We need to try to keep the teens from leaving Disney for Universal.>> Why not do both? We occasionally spend a day or to at Universal during our WDW trips.
