Originally Posted By leobloom >> No Leo, I also concur (as long as joint billing goes to the American Adventure and Spaceship Earth) It sure as hell is not space mountain. << Well, Dave, since you're a Disney theme park message board, my statement still stands. I bet not 1% of the "average" guest (i.e. someone who doesn't consider him/herself a fanatic) would call COP the best attraction on property.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> It has what many here say they want... duration of the attraction is long, it has animatronics, and it is uniquely Disney... especially uniquely WALT Disney. It also is a people eater. What more do you want? << Popularity, freshness...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>It would be much more suited to be in EPCOT, where it's implicitl message would fit... Even in today's fractured FW.<<< Seems to be a recurring theme, as if it has a chance of a snowball in hell of ever happening. When it is no longer where it is located it will just plain no longer be anywhere. I would much rather have it out of place then gone. Addressing the other mentioned things a little deeper. It was mentioned that it needed to be more popular...that's what the marketing department is for. If they wanted to promote it heavier, they could line people up. Now, if they wanted them to return then they could upgrade the AA's to be a little more realistic, spruce up the theater (not overly needed cause most of the ride is in the dark anyway) and have the first room be more of an explanation of how the attraction originated, world fair, Disney connection, what it was supposed to be conveying and how it remains a one of a kind tribute to Walter Elias Disney. No need to pretend it is something that it isn't. It would work. It would keep all of us old folks happy and educate the young folks of the legacy and how important it was to the overall growth of Disney Parks. Where it is located would then not be anywhere near as important as some people seem to think it is. I wouldn't care if it were in the middle of the parking lot as long as it was still there. It is an interesting, albeit corny, show but it's history means a lot more then the script.
Originally Posted By danyoung The lesson in history that you're asking for is already there, on the monitors in the pre-show area.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>The lesson in history that you're asking for is already there, on the monitors in the pre-show area.<<< Yes, I know, but I'm talking about completely changing the purpose of the attraction. That would require a more direct...this is what you're here for dialog. One that puts the new mission in focus and doesn't attempt to be a lead in to the last scene depicting the future. The future is out there and we do not know where it will lead us, why even pretend to think we know. Just a show, as a tribute, showing different time spans and how we lived them up to "just before now".
Originally Posted By jkayjs Instead of dumbing down attractions or anything for that matter because "kids today don't get it" maybe we should do a better job of educating the kids. It's sad to me that any child old enough to read & comprehend doesn't know the basic history of how we got where we are. My kids clearly understood that there was a time when there was no electricity & during times of 'black outs' we took the opportunity to reenforce what it must have been like. Rides that give you an adrenalin rush are fine but attractions that give you a brain ruch are priceless. Plus I REALLY like the song in CoP!
Originally Posted By danyoung >Instead of dumbing down attractions or anything for that matter because "kids today don't get it" maybe we should do a better job of educating the kids.< How distinctly un-American! OT, there's a show that we Texans like to guiltily watch - The Making of the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. Every year they go through a process, and part of it is an interview. One girl, when asked who the Commander in Chief currently was, said Roger Goodell. The real champ, though, was the beautiful young lady who was asked to name the 2 major political parties. After much thought she came up with Republican, but couldn't come up with the other party to save her life. God Bless America.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Yep, and people wonder why I am not a fan of Texas. Lol. The reason I hate modern Disney is they make dumb, shallow products in the main now. To me the Disney difference was best exemplified in using the 'how'd they do that' tech to enrich a story, a story which not only entertained but peaked an interest in learning more about the topic covered. To me COP is in the same vein as haunted mansion, pirates of the Caribbean and the epcot future world attractions - Disney's best.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Whereas imho, everything disney has made for their parks in the last 10 years (with the exception of Soarin', motors action and Cinemagqiue) have been crap souless pieces of excrement devoid of creativity, or in everest's case, reliability.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And not ever kid is a stupid dumb punk. They existed in my day, my parent's day, and every generation before that. Walt himself said it was stupid to talk down to kids, and yet that is what modern Disney does today. So much so, my kids no longer bother with the Disney channels. And before someone says he's dead, or people change? Once again, other companies talked down to kids in Walt's day too. And although the attractions can and should change, the vision for Disney parks, the aspirations and ethos should not. And this is why instead of going to WDW or DL the last few years, we have sought out other parks, some of which are more true to Disney's original vision than WDC are. But most of you do not seem to be interested in that either.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip It's not that we're not interested Dave, just that we don't want to have to buy airfare to Europe to do it. What seems a value to you is expensive to us... especially with the U.S. dollar slumming it right now.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I watch "House Hunters International" and am astounded that you have to pay a half million dollars in the UK for a house you could buy where I live for $150K. In Britain you can maybe afford it since your education, health care etc. is paid for. But we can't... we go on vacation and still have to come back and pay for all that stuff. I would LOVE to vacation in Europe. Send me the money!! LOL
Originally Posted By dagobert I don't know how the houses are built in the UK, but in central Europe house are made of bricks and so they are much more expensive. In the US we lived in a house that was made of wood with very thin walls. In winter it was so cold that we had to turn on the heating nearly all the time and in summer it was so hot that we had the air condition running all the time. We were so lucky in 2007, becuase for one Euro we got 1.5 US Dollars. With all the fundings we got from our government for studying abroad, we had so much money to spend. So we ate out a lot. We can't do that over here. That's way too expensive. Sometimes I had the impression that eating out is cheaper than buying food, I'm not talking of frozen food, at Wal Mart, Meiers or Kroger. I was amazed how big the frozen food section at Wal Mart was. It had the size of our regular supermarket around the corner. However I miss the huge US supermarkets.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Just out of curiosity...what does any of this have to do with CoP? Inquiring minds want to know!
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Just out of curiosity...what does any of this have to do with CoP? Inquiring minds want to know!<<< I know I was off topic. I was just commenting on RoadTrip's post and then so many things came on my mind and I wrote on and on. Sorry!! Now back on topic!
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost No need to be sorry...I didn't really care. I just thought it was incredible just how far off topic it got. ;-) And NOW back on topic!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer <<<It has what many here say they want... duration of the attraction is long, it has animatronics, and it is uniquely Disney... especially uniquely WALT Disney. It also is a people eater. What more do you want? <<<< Exactly.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Whereas imho, everything disney has made for their parks in the last 10 years (with the exception of Soarin', motors action and Cinemagqiue) have been crap souless pieces of excrement devoid of creativity, or in everest's case, reliability.<<< Don't hold back Dave, tell us how you really feel. ;-)
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn The attraction should be reconfigured such that it no longer becomes an attraction within and of itself, but becomes an integral feature of an overall queue line that takes guests to a brand new Tomorrowland Horizons ride afterwards.
Originally Posted By standor The first few acts are great but the last one is a travesty and should be changed. The first few acts are history and something all people of all ages should know about. The last act ruins the whole show and should be revamped. I am in my eighties and remember as fact what they tell about. Space ship earth tells what happened centuries ago, and I find it educational as well as entertaining. We need more educational attractions and less of the current nonsense.
