Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And now is the best time of your life!<<< I greatly prefer TAGBBT, but if a refurb meant getting the second song, back, I wouldn't be too unhappy. THough, Sherman HATES it... lol
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Disney isn't supposed to be a museum, in that respect. They can make exhibits about the past, but not just let them slip into history.>> And how many parks have dedicated museum space to all things "Disney". I don't buy the Museum arguement. I guess somethings get to be preserved and other things just get bulldozed. What we should be talking about is why Disney fans continues to argue bulldozing CoP while keeping attractions like, Journey into Your Imagination with Figment.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And how many parks have dedicated museum space to all things "Disney". I don't buy the Museum arguement. I guess somethings get to be preserved and other things just get bulldozed. What we should be talking about is why Disney fans continues to argue bulldozing CoP while keeping attractions like, Journey into Your Imagination with Figment<<< Uhm...one? DHS has something on Walt Disney, but that's really about it. I'm not advocating for this to be in a museum. I'm advocating for it to be kept up, and up to date. Also, the CURRENT JII?!!? I'd like to see that in a landfill. The old one? Well, I don't want to see that in a museum, either. That was a classic, timeless ride, that could have EASILY existed past 1998. There was nothing 1980's about it.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Uhm...one? DHS has something on Walt Disney, but that's really about it.>> I never said "Walt Disney", I said "all things Disney". In DHS we had the back lots littered with old Disney stuff. Bit and pieces of Disney memorabilia are all over the place. Isn't there still a train car from the old Ft Wilderness Campground railroad being used as a consession stand in DtD? Isn't one of the old subs from 20K on a beach on Disney's Island in the Bahamas? Have you ever visited the Iron Spike room in the Wilderness Lodge Villas to find Walt Disney's personal backyard railroad stuff. Here in Kennesaw Georgia our Kennesaw General Museum is filled with Disney memorabilia regarding the filming of Walt Disney's Great Locomotive Chase". To suggest the removal and destruction of CoP is way, way, out there. Meanwhile Disney fans continue to ignore the fact that rides and attractions like Journey Into Imagaination are still actively being maintianed. I'm not suggesting that something has to go for something else to be maintained or gained. I just think this is an obvious case of one "sucks" and the other one is a keeper regardless of its popularity or current condition. <<The old one? Well, I don't want to see that in a museum, either. That was a classic, timeless ride, that could have EASILY existed past 1998. There was nothing 1980's about it.>> Agreed! The original should have been kept! But, I'm not the one that transformed the Imagination Pavallion into a half empty, one story disappointment.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA My point with Carousel of Progress is that it just needs to be updated. Somehow. I was taking a tour of a company headquarters a few weeks ago. In one section, they had an small exhibit showing milestones in the company history read '1900' '1925' '1947' '1965' '1979' '1997' and then 'today 2007' A. Why put the date on a picture that also reads 'today' B. Why not just list it as 'today' C. When things like this are listed, it makes me look at the whole piece of that exhibit as 4 years out of date. Update the 'Carousel of Progress' or send it to Yesterland.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Update the 'Carousel of Progress' or send it to Yesterland.<< Totally agree. It's not that the concept is without any merit, it's that they've let it get a little moldy. Fun Fact: As we've replaced appliances over the years, almost subliminally I had purchased all GE appliances. I think Carousel of Progress played a role in that. So get GE to sponsor it and give it a fresh, updated makeover.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I never said "Walt Disney", I said "all things Disney". In DHS we had the back lots littered with old Disney stuff. Bit and pieces of Disney memorabilia are all over the place. Isn't there still a train car from the old Ft Wilderness Campground railroad being used as a consession stand in DtD? Isn't one of the old subs from 20K on a beach on Disney's Island in the Bahamas? Have you ever visited the Iron Spike room in the Wilderness Lodge Villas to find Walt Disney's personal backyard railroad stuff. Here in Kennesaw Georgia our Kennesaw General Museum is filled with Disney memorabilia regarding the filming of Walt Disney's Great Locomotive Chase". To suggest the removal and destruction of CoP is way, way, out there. Meanwhile Disney fans continue to ignore the fact that rides and attractions like Journey Into Imagaination are still actively being maintianed. I'm not suggesting that something has to go for something else to be maintained or gained. I just think this is an obvious case of one "sucks" and the other one is a keeper regardless of its popularity or current condition.<<< In that case, I agree with you. I was just against the fact of it being left alone and made to be a museum attraction. It's WD connection should be preserved, be a part of the show, but it should ALWAYS be kept up and current.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost EE...while I to some extent, agree with you and what you would like to see, I think it is time for a reality check here. It either has to be an historic attraction or it will be gone. The only thing that has a lesser chance of happening is that the whole thing would be moved to Epcot. And, I might add, am still at a loss to figure out how it fits in with Future Land and better than tomorrowland. A better choice might be DHS as an entertainment legend. Two things enter into my belief that what you are asking for is not anything more than a dream. One is that in order to make it current the gap between the last scene and the previous one just gets wider and wider and wider. It starts to lose whatever cohesiveness that it still has. The second is that they are NOT going to try and stay ahead of things forever. It is too difficult to foresee the future and way to expensive to maintain a, less than thrill ride, just to keep us old timers happy. It's not going to happen. If my choice is to make it an established and promoted historic part of Disney past, connected with and appreciated as a piece of Walt Disney himself or have it buried in some bone yard someplace. Guess which one I am going to fight for!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Goofyernmost I think you may have hit on something. Why not have the final scene a Christmas scene that somehow involves Walt Disney? A tribute to him in some capacity. Why "chase" the future with having to redo the CoP ever other year. Just do it with the CoP family if Disney wants. But make it a tribute to Walt Disney himself. And how "he" looked to the future. I just think that might be a good element for the MK.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Not a bad idea to make it a 'tribute' -- I just think having the ending what it is today, and we're all supposed to pretend that it's 'today' is silly.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost To bad I'm not in charge isn't it? With my suggestions I should clarify that I don't think that they should keep it going with all the old AA's. I don't think it would be out of place to replace the original AA's with current, technologically up to date AA's. There aren't to many things I'm sure of, but I would bet the farm that Walt would have updated them to look more realistic had that technology existed before his death.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Oh course your right Jim. The final scene was nostalgically funny back in the late 90s.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Goofyernmost we will put you in charge. You can be the LP representative to the Disney Company in regards to CoP. If I'm not mistaken I would say that many of us here do not think the AAs in the scenes necessarily need to be removed or updated. Sounds like many of us are happy with how CoP is... with the exception of the final scene, which many of us apparently believe could use a redo and come TLC.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I'm OK with the present AA's as well, but I don't think that keeping the old mechanics of them are important to the story and show. New ones would definitely PLUS the attraction without taking away the essence.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost With this new promotion (thanks KT, I could use the money), I promise to make CoP the bestest attraction/tribute ever. My mind is buzzing with new ideas. Can't wait to put them in place.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Trust me when I say this Goofyernmost, we anxiously look forward to it as well. If only!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>EE...while I to some extent, agree with you and what you would like to see, I think it is time for a reality check here. It either has to be an historic attraction or it will be gone. The only thing that has a lesser chance of happening is that the whole thing would be moved to Epcot. And, I might add, am still at a loss to figure out how it fits in with Future Land and better than tomorrowland. A better choice might be DHS as an entertainment legend.<<< Reality check? How is it realistic to let a ride grow so old that it's a museum piece? COP is about progress. It should be updated, kept with the times, and with that, as a LIVING tribute to it's original show and Walt. Just letting it grow old is the antithesis of what that shows is all about. It fits in Future World, quite easily. It's about "where man has been, and where he is going". That's the theme. Works for me.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Goofyernmost I think you may have hit on something. Why not have the final scene a Christmas scene that somehow involves Walt Disney? A tribute to him in some capacity. Why "chase" the future with having to redo the CoP ever other year. Just do it with the CoP family if Disney wants. But make it a tribute to Walt Disney himself. And how "he" looked to the future. I just think that might be a good element for the MK.<<< There's no need to make COP a story. COP is a exhibition, that's why it still ticks, even in the poor condition it's in. there's no need to make it intricate and of a narrative. That's not what the show is about. The show is about showcasing technology in a home. And with a family. And with a song. That's what the show should always revolve (HAH) around.
