Originally Posted By FerretAfros I don't think the noise will be all that bad, since the tracks are going to be at "ground level", instead of elevated like at TT. The elevated structures are much more prone to vibrations, and since there is no covering on any side of them, the sound created eminates in all directions. While I'm sure that RSR will still vibrate and make noise, the fact that much of the track (everything except for the road surface) is contained and covered up will really help with the noise. Journey to the Center of the Earth at TDS uses a similar technology (2nd generation from TT, and RSR is really the 3rd generation) and the structure is similarly hidden. It does make some noise, but it's hardly detracting from the overall atmosphere of the area. As for the wind, in most areas of the parks, the buildings and trees are tall enough to block any significant breezes. At a certain point, there's not much different in what you noticce between standing next to a 30' wall and a 100' wall.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "This is a very real issue." No, it's *possibly* a real issue. Until the place opens or we get the low down from someone in the know all we can do is speculate.
Originally Posted By Manfried Has anyone here actually been to a NASCAR race? They are, of course, very noisy. That's part of the race scene. So you want a silent race?
Originally Posted By ni_teach I agree with Dr Hans Reinhardt that both are a possible problem. I don't think that either will be so bad that it will ruin the ride or Car's Land.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I remember the noise from 'Rocket Rods', and it wasn't "cool". It permeated the entire TL area, all the way back to the old motorboat pier, and there was no getting away from it. I'm looking forward to RSR and the rest of carsland, but I do hope the decibel level is within reason. As far as the heat - that's seasonal. If it's hot in Anaheim, it'll be hot in carsland - not much to be done about that. Although given the enormous effort to create this desert-scape, it's not like they can just plant a bunch of trees for shade. I suppose they'll need to make do with awnings.
Originally Posted By danyoung I'll admit that I had a problem with the Rocket Rods' sound at first, but it's something I got used to. Then it wasn't there any more, and I really missed it!
Originally Posted By Manfried Part of the issue with the Rocket Rods noise, is they were on a track not built to handle the load. Can you imagine the lawsuits that would have happened when one of them fell off the track or if the track fell?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Maybe there's some truth to that rumor, but I've never believed that story about the track not being able to handle the load. How much heavier were the rocket rod vehicles be compared to a Peoplemover train? The obvious and most talked about issue were the unbanked curves which resulted in excessive braking.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I don't know if the physical load of a RR car was actually any more than a PM train (especially since the PM trains were spaced a lot closer together), but my understanding was that the problems were caused by the increased vibrations that happen out of necessity at higher speeds. Rail and automobile bridges are designed with a specific speed (and it's associated vibration level) in mind, so I would assume that they did the same thing when originally desinging the PM track.
Originally Posted By tashajilek Some parts of DL are much warmer than other parts. I notice the Matterhorn generates a lot of heat, but i like it lol. I am sure Disney has thought about any heat issues and will have a solution. I agree with Dave about all the extra fun that some of the attractions cause.
Originally Posted By Manfried The Matterhorn generates heat? Huh? I think it depends upon which side of the mountain you are on. I mean if you're on the shady side I am sure its fairly cool.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance I've also noticed it's always somewhat warm in the Matterhorn mountain. Kinda humid feeling.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Last night (which was kind of chilly), my friends and I all noticed that, despite the presence of glowjitos, DCA was a good 5-10 degrees cooler than DL. I don't know what it was, but there was a noticeable difference as soon as you walked through the DL turnstyles. As for Carsland, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitsch-en.
Originally Posted By dl1956 FerretAfros, i would attribute at least part of the heat differential to the fact that DCA is not surrounded by a berm with a lot of large trees, allowing the wind to flow thru more readily. Besides, the desert is supposed to be hot.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I think the layout of DCA allows air to move through the park at the ground level better than at Disneyland. I know it sounds silly, but I really do think that. Maybe it's all the big trees or something and the lack of a large open area like Paradise Lagoon.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros That would make sense, but we were on the main street in the Backlot, which is about as confined as DCA gets (especially with the crowds waiting around to see the ElecTRONica opening show). We decided that it was just the magic in DL that kept us warmer, since nothing else made any sense. And in semi-related news, they've completely redone the second half of the ElecTRONica opening show. It uses some new music, and manages to capture the 'fun' element that was totally lacking before. It reminds me a lot more of Glow Fest, in the best way possible. It's still nothing like the GF opening show (which really wasn't much like the main GF event), but you could tell that the CMs were having a lot of fun with their performance. From the looks of things, it was still new to them, and they were enjoying doing it. There are some really fun and silly dance moves in it, which I hope they work into the dances they teach the audience as ElecTRONica continues through the summer.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I've never believed that story about the track not being able to handle the load.< According to yesterland.com - The L.A. Times quoted a statement by the Disneyland President at that time, Cynthia Harriss, “The high-speed attraction was never able to perform to its designed show standards.” The Times added, “The problem, she said, was a budget-conscious decision to run the high-speed Rods on the PeopleMover’s unbanked track.” Now, whether that means that there was a problem with the track or with the vehicles isn't specified. I'd heard that the wear and tear on the vehicles, particularly tires, made for a very high maintenance cost that just couldn't be continued.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'd heard that the wear and tear on the vehicles, particularly tires, made for a very high maintenance cost that just couldn't be continued." Which jives with the constant speeding up and braking caused by the unbanked curves. I doubt if the ride's frequent breakdowns were just because of track vibrations, but who knows.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I've read that there were problems with the vehicles (especially the tires), the tracks due to the vibrations AND with the buildings, especially where the track entered and exited, also because of the vibrations. It's possible all of those things were true, which is what happens when you try to put a square peg in a round hole.
