Originally Posted By SafariRob I think the waterfall will add a lot...not only to the ride but to the entire land as well. That is, if they do indeed put a waterfall in (as the concept art indicates).
Originally Posted By ni_teach Based on everything that we have seen and read there will be a real waterfall, that is if you consider the Matterhorn's waterfalls real.
Originally Posted By crapshoot << . . . that is if you consider the Matterhorn's waterfalls real.>> Oh they're real alright, as long as the valve is turned to the on position.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara They will never be able to reopen the People Mover track in its current incarnation because of DOSH and their stupid evacuation issues. That's why you see an incredibly stupid fix-it on the exterior portion of Alice in Wonderland right now--because some idiot from DOSH looked at the damn leaf and thought it had the potential for evacuation issues if the ride were to stop there. So, a problem that has not existed since the ride opened in 1958, and has never caused a problem, is now a big problem. Morons. As far as heat in Carsland, if you've ever been in a big city and felt the summer heat absorbed and bounced off concrete, you can imagine how hot it's going to be anywhere near that enormous concrete rock wall. Concrete absorbs sunlight and gets hot--simple fact.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "They will never be able to reopen the People Mover track in its current incarnation because of DOSH and their stupid evacuation issues." You think putting the safety of guests first is stupid?
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<You think putting the safety of guests first is stupid?>> It isn't that safety first is stupid, it is however stupid to try and mitigate every possible contingency. How do you evac Monorails quickly? Can't be done. But fire is a real threat onboard the Monorail trains. The problem isn't a poor safety record at Disneyland, but rather Left Wing Government power units that are simply trying to justify their existence.
Originally Posted By gadzuux It appears that most of the rockwork for carsland faces east and north, so very little will be exposed to direct sunlight, and what does will be early in the morning and not for very long. It also appears from the models that pedestrian walkways don't get all that close to the walls, except for the entrance by the pier area. Speaking for myself, I'm hugely impressed with this beautiful and ambitious and huge installation, love the look of it, the color pallette, the textures, the imbedded cadillac fins, wheel wells and hood ornaments, and think it's anything BUT "boring".
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<and think it's anything BUT "boring".>> Agreed, not boring in the least. Remember, a forest is a desert that gets water and grows trees. Man am I profound today!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The problem isn't a poor safety record at Disneyland, but rather Left Wing Government power units that are simply trying to justify their existence." Oh brother.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Oh brother.>> No? You live in the region. Go talk to Ellen Thompson who owns and runs Redwood Valley 15" Gauge steam railroad at Tilden Park. You want to hear governmental horror stories, she's got them. Interestingly enough, she and Disneyland have teamed up with legal representation to keep the wolves at bay, so to speak.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Speaking for myself, I'm hugely impressed with this beautiful and ambitious and huge installation, love the look of it, the color pallette, the textures, the imbedded cadillac fins, wheel wells and hood ornaments, and think it's anything BUT "boring". < DITTO!
Originally Posted By BPSJP >>It isn't that safety first is stupid, it is however stupid to try and mitigate every possible contingency.<< You can not make our lives danger free, I wish the government would stop trying to be our daddy. I had one dad and he was a pain, I don't need two.
Originally Posted By crapshoot So is it me or is Lassiter maybe a little too giddy riding in the Test Track vehicle in the Preview Center film?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "No?" Yes, no. It's a basic principle that businesses are going to do what's best for businesses. Therefore they'll often compromise your safety as long as they think they can get away with it. One only has to look at the challenges faced by advocates of better regulations for the US automobile industry to see how resistant corporations can be when it comes to consumer safety.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<One only has to look at the challenges faced by advocates of better regulations for the US automobile industry to see how resistant corporations can be when it comes to consumer safety.>> Sure and how many people have been killed on Alice In Wonderland or have fallen off the leaves vs Harbor Blvd.?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'm kind of wondering why you are so adverse to the company addressing a potential calamity. It would only take one worker or guest slipping to the ground from the Alice ramp during a breakdown for there to be an outcry about why the thing is operating without adequate evacuation features. Those railings may be ugly, but installing them was the right thing to do.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I agree. I just wish that after the quick solution, they'd figured out a more aesthetically pleasing one.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<I just wish that after the quick solution, they'd figured out a more aesthetically pleasing one.>> Who knows, that may very well be in the works. Understand, I'm certainly not against safety systems. And having railings in place is a good thing. But DOSH, OSHA and so many Title 24 BC requirements are simply overkill and are one of the direct causes why jobs are shipped off shore or at the very least out of California.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Safety regs can seem silly or redundant or excessive - until something goes wrong. There's a reason why states where coal interests at least partially control the legislatures have worse mining safety records than those with stronger regs, for instance. And sure, you can find excess anywhere, and I'm not saying that there's no such thing as excessive regs. But I don't think the Alice vine qualifies. Rides DO go 101.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Safety regs can seem silly or redundant or excessive - until something goes wrong." Right. And while it happens that these organizations sometimes go too far, they don't do it in order to justify their existence. They're existence isn't under any sort of threat. And no one with half a brain cell wants them to go away. These agencies are on our side and the world is a much better place because they exist. If only the agency that oversaw oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico was this on the ball. Or the people keeping an eye on Wall Street and the banks. Give me the left wing power units that may sometimes get carried away with safety over right wing watchdogs who are "protecting" us from gay marriage and bad language.
