Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Yeah, but the key here I believe is that the U.S. of A. has never done that, and that is what has set us apart from all the other guys. Now we're just like everyone else, and for a long time coming other countries will see if the other shoe drops.< you mean as opposed to financially supporting and training and supplying military equipment to the side we liked...instead of outsourcing we now have the potential to do it ourselves...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ except no one really believed it....again, looks good on paper, in reality, no change.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "you mean as opposed to financially supporting and training and supplying military equipment to the side we liked...instead of outsourcing we now have the potential to do it ourselves..." Still not an outright, pre-emptive invasion, though.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ture, we could have at least poked and prodded them a lot like when we used South Korea to do that, getting North Korea to attack - then use that in place of just doing a pre emptive strike.... or just had someone shoot Saddam and when the factions started warring over the land- we could have intervened like we did in Vietnam so we're not as stealth any more...is that what you're saying ?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Who said this? "In terms of pure IQ, Jimmy Carter was probably the smartest president since Jefferson or Wilson."
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Rosalind Carter ? Okay, I found this survey estimating IQ for presidents - and here is what they came up with. The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points: 147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) 132 Harry Truman (D) 122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R) 174 John F. Kennedy (D) 126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D) 155 Richard M. Nixon (R) 121 Gerald Ford (R) 175 James E. Carter (D) 105 Ronald Reagan (R) 098 George HW Bush (R) 182 William J. Clinton (D) 091 George W. Bush (R) As a Member of Mensa I question a few of these are they would be statistically so far off the charts -- 150 puts on in the top 1/10 of 1% of Stanford-Binet. Also doesn't say what standards they are using : namely Stanford-Binet is 132, while for the Cattell it is 148.to be in the top 2% ( Mensan ) from a different source: that being: This is one of a series of political profiles produced by political psychologist Aubrey Immelman in the Unit for the Study of Personality in Politics at the College of St. Benedict and St. John's University in Collegeville, Minn "Unlike John F. Kennedy, who obtained an IQ score of 119, or Al Gore, who achieved scores of 133 and 134 on intelligence tests taken at the beginning of his high school freshman and senior years, no IQ data are available for George W. Bush. " why the huge gap in Kennedy's score ? Because Lovenstein institute uses an estimate rather than a real score ! I question how they arrived at a score statitcally about 7 standard deviations from an actual IQ test taken. What bull. Use an actual IQ test or write about something else.
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 heheh. What a great study. I hope lots of money was spent on it. Could it possibly be -- this guy believes in everything I do, he must be a genius -- 182 for him. I think everyone should have to wear IQ tags. Take the test once a year and then stamp the score on your shirt -- that way everyone knows if they need to talk up or down to you. Just kidding, of course.
Originally Posted By jonvn "As a Member of Mensa" As a non-member of Mensa, I often wonder why people need to keep mentioning that they are a member. IQ is way overrated.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Because he stated in his biography how much he Loathed the military?
Originally Posted By jonvn Who cares what he loathed. He managed to use it far more effectively than the clown we have now.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Slick Willie is one person I am definately NOT expecting to find at the Dedication at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier this monday.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Who cares what he loathed.>> He was Commander in Chief. Its difficult to be an effective Commander in Chief when you write about you contempt for the military. But then, when did Slick Willie ever care about what people thought of him. The man couldn't even live up to the oath of on his marriage licence.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Because he stated in his biography how much he Loathed the military?>> Give me a break. First off, he did not state that he personally loathed the military... he just said that many people did. Secondly, he made this statement during the Vietnam era when he was 23 years old. What the heck do you expect? Should we look at some of the stuff Dubya was doing and saying when HE was 23? <<The man couldn't even live up to the oath of on his marriage licence.>> Neither could many of our other presidents, as well as a majority of the people in this country: <<Recent studies reveal that 45-55% of married women and 50-60% of married men engage in extramarital sex at some time or another during their relationship.>> Source: <a href="http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?id=28879" target="_blank">http://www.authorsden.com/visi t/viewarticle.asp?id=28879</a> Given that many people in this country would (incorrectly) see your relationship as being immoral; do you really want to be out there waving the morality flag? I don’t think people should be judged on the basis of sexual activity. Period.
Originally Posted By jonvn "He was Commander in Chief" And he did a far better job than many others. So what? Even if it is true, which I doubt.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I intended to provide the Clinton quote and a link to the entire letter -- I overlooked it in my prior post. <<I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give.>> Source: <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html" target="_blank">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/ frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html</a>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <"As a Member of Mensa" As a non-member of Mensa, I often wonder why people need to keep mentioning that they are a member. IQ is way overrated. < just to tick off people who don't like to hear it...it's kind of a tradition. btw -- I mentioned it here because the topic of the thread turned to IQ ratings of which Mensa would be a normal transition -- sorry it bothers you so much...especially being overrated
