Originally Posted By ecdc Keep trying to misdirect the issue, Woody. I don't blame you - there's no argument to be made that Iraq is somehow going well.
Originally Posted By woody How did I misdirect it? I was responding to the torture issue brought up by another poster. This thread was misdirected a long time ago. The actual thread is about Cheney, not the Iraq War.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Since I started this thread, it's about how Cheney is finally admitting he screwed up on this war. He's responsible for some of the worst decisions ever by a nationally elected political leader.
Originally Posted By woody You finally told us something rather than posting a link with no exerpts or anything else to clue us in. Too late.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <"I think Democrats are just political animals. They want to win. Damn the principles." You're confused. That's Karl Rove's credo.< Then Rove's twin must be working for the Dems in Connecticut where liberal groups are trying to steer voters to the GOP candidate, to try and cut into Joe Liberman's lead --- even after Lamont has spent $10M of his own money ( I thought only GOP people had that kind of $ ) and is getting his hat handed to him
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Cheney is finally admitting he screwed up on this war. He's responsible for some of the worst decisions ever by a nationally elected political leader.> Both those statements are extreme exaggerations.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Yeah - cheney only copped to "premature optimism". What a ridiculous turn of phrase. The white house spinmeisters must be working overtime these days.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Both those statements are extreme exaggerations." Baloney. Salami. Pastrami. Roast Beef.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Yeah, maybe a nice omelette with the ever-present "breakfast meat" that always sounds so appealing on a menu.
Originally Posted By patrickegan Well it just too bad the illustrious and all knowing Bubba, didn’t nip this terrorism thing in the bud! He was touted as the foreign policy master yet only bombed and beat up on softer targets along the Danube and Somalia. The fiasco in Somalia and cruise missiles in the empty desert (with love from Monica) only encouraged more attacks upon us.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh It will only be a fiasco if we listen to liberals like you and give up before the job is done.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Of course they do. I have yet to hear a good explanation of how our government thinks they can stop 1500+ years of religious strife and sectarian violence in Iraq.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I have yet to hear a good explanation of how our government thinks they can stop 1500+ years of religious strife and sectarian violence in Iraq.> I don't think they can stop it, just reduce it. The Balkans has a 1500+ year history of religious strife and sectarian violence, but we took action there in the 90's and things are better now. Not perfect, but better. Freedom and democracy will improve people's lives everywhere they are allowed to florish.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Freedom and democracy will improve people's lives everywhere they are allowed to florish." Oh, please. Platitudes. A plan, a real plan. Any type of evidence that something in their history suggests what we're doing would work. But since you have already admitted it can't be eradicated: "I don't think they can stop it, just reduce it." then there's no point in us being there any longer. Instead of pouring a thousand gallons of gas on a fire they'll just be pouring a hundred. The result is the same. We took on an unwinnable situation. We didn't think it through, we didn't pay attention to history, we went in simply because we could. Since I voted for Bush, he's accountable to me. I had a hand in hiring him, I want him to explain why he didn't foresee this result. I don't understand this president. He's against stem cell research that could reverse diseases and save lives, he's against abortions, he's pro death penalty for cold blooded killers, yet he has no problem at all sending over 2700 American soldiers to their death in an attempt to perform a task that is tantamount to reversing the direction of the orbit of the earth. There's a guy named bin Laden who has vowed to kill us all yet Bush says he doesn't care if he ever catches him. That's not being "tough on terrorism", that's foolish macho word play, or worse yet, a frank admission that we can't. No amount of loyalist defenders can convince me we picked the absolute wrong time to elect and re-elect one of the least intelligent presidents ever.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Our generals in Iraq say otherwise. << No they don't. They say that the situation is deteriorating rapidly. That's the point of general caldwell's statments. Not only are our efforts ineffective, but violence and deaths are increasing - and by a lot. Bush himself tacitly admits that the current situation is similar to the vietnam tet offensive. So how many direct quotes do you need? If bush and the generals in iraq aren't a credible enough source for you, what will it take? Do your contentions have any basis in reality at all?
