Originally Posted By Beaumandy <What's the current administration's plan?> Support the troops until the mission is done.>> Exactly! It really is that simple. Here we are winning the war, the troops don't want to cut and run, yet the dems and their buddies in the media are trying to say we are losing and the president misled them. What a bunch of bafoons. Fact is, we might lose if the dems keep this crap up. Otherwise, there is no way the insurgents have a chance to win. That is the message that needs to get out to the country because that is the truth.
Originally Posted By itsme >>Support the troops until the mission is done. ------ Devils advocate question here, How do we know when the mission is done.
Originally Posted By FaMulan I thought Bush already declared 'Mission Accomplished' he said so in a speech on an aircraft carrier with a banner saying as such behind him.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <How do we know when the mission is done.> When Iraq is free and prosperous, and no longer a haven for terrorists. It shouldn't be long now.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I thought Bush already declared 'Mission Accomplished' he said so in a speech on an aircraft carrier with a banner saying as such behind him.> That mission was the defeat of Saddam's armies. One mission does not win a war.
Originally Posted By FaMulan But he also declared an end to major actions. I'm just citing examples of the Administration's stretching of the truth.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <But he also declared an end to major actions.> It was an end to major combat operations. We defeated Saddam's armies. We haven't been faced an army in Iraq since.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "It was an end to major combat operations. We defeated Saddam's armies. We haven't been faced an army in Iraq since." If the insurgents aren't an organized force tantamount to an army, what are they?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Support the troops until the mission is done.<< How will we know the mission is done? What does that look like? Do we have enough troops on the ground to get there? Why don't right wingers ever answer that question with specifics?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>When Iraq is free and prosperous, and no longer a haven for terrorists. It shouldn't be long now.<< So they have to be free AND prosperous before we leave? How are we going to measure that?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>That mission was the defeat of Saddam's armies. One mission does not win a war.<< Talk about revisionism.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>If the insurgents aren't an organized force tantamount to an army, what are they?<< Don't ask questions like that - you'll just end up in another amazing Semanto-Spiralâ„¢.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>How will we know the mission is done?<< Here's how: If the right's poll numbers are still in the toilet when the next election rolls around, suddenly, it'll be done. And if things go badly, it'll all be blamed on Iraqis for not stepping up to defend their country.
Originally Posted By itsme >>When Iraq is free and prosperous, and no longer a haven for terrorists. It shouldn't be long now. ------ Again devils adv. So are we saying that there will be no more terrorist actiity at all or when its at a certain level/occurance? As for free an prosperpous, again what factors determine this? Thats kinda just saying well when the water stops we wont have to worry about floodiing.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Gadzuux, you must be pissed that after all the protests and calls to get our troops home by Cindy Sheehan and the Michael Moore crowd, the House could only get 3 votes out of over 400 to leave Iraq now. What gives? I wish your liberals in congress would get a spine when it comes to backing up their constant BS and rhetoric.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What was the democrat plan for Iraq again? Spoke to more military guys yesterday. To a man they support the mission, the president, and want to stay in Iraq until we win. Winning is when the insurency is crushed and the Iraqi security forces can take over without our help. The only way to lose is to listen to the demcorats who showed us the way in Vietnam how to lose a winnable war.
Originally Posted By Bruiser "What was the democrat plan for Iraq again? Spoke to more military guys yesterday. To a man they support the mission, the president, and want to stay in Iraq until we win. Winning is when the insurency is crushed and the Iraqi security forces can take over without our help. The only way to lose is to listen to the demcorats who showed us the way in Vietnam how to lose a winnable war." You're such a predictable joke. Murtha has the right idea. That fake "plan" the GOP fraudulently put forth? That was a mockery of the system and you should be ashamed. Bush is on the ropes, he's acting like it, and the public is finally on to him. God, are we going to have fun rubbing your nose in it come 2006. By the way- Murtha's more of a real man that anyone in the GOP.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Gadzuux, you must be pissed .. << Not at all. The proposal that was placed to a vote by the GOP was ridiculous on it's face. OF COURSE nobody voted for it. It was a bill that was designed to fail - a time-waster. And a cheap ploy that only exposes the republicans for what they really are. More and more people are finally starting to "get it". We're reaching a tipping point where the white house has to do something FAST to reverse this slide, or their goose is completely cooked. What we're witnessing now are the actions of desparate men with no sense of decency or morality. Something tells me this coming january is going to be brutal in DC. >> Spoke to more military guys yesterday. To a man they support the mission, the president, and want to stay in Iraq until we win. << You need to get out more - broaden your circle beau. There's a whole tide of humanity that don't "support the mission, the president, and want to stay in iraq until we win". Until recently, I had lost a lot of faith in the basic intelligence of the american public. But I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic. We'll see.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy If Murtha is such a man, why did he vote against Pulling out of Iraq when he had the chance? After all he was crying to do just this the day before. Don't tell me that isn't exactly what he meant either, because it is. All the headlines in papers acroos the world said a member of congress called for immediate withdrawl. Murtha, like all the democrats, gave the enemy all the more hope that they can get America to run home and give up. You must be so pumped Bruiser.
