Originally Posted By Beaumandy << Not at all. The proposal that was placed to a vote by the GOP was ridiculous on it's face. >> What was so ridiculous? The left call for our immediate exit from Iraq all the time, every day. Cindy Sheehan, darling of the left uses this as her main point. Yet the GOP askes the dems to vote for this exact thing and all of a sudden it's ridiculous? The dems don't like having to back up their constant terrorist supporting drivel as we can all see.
Originally Posted By Bruiser Anyone who says that resolution was what the Democrats wanted is LYING, which, by extension, makes you a liar, Beau. It's that kind of dishonest tactic that will be the GOP's undoing. Ahhh, sweet revenge.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What did the decocrats want then Bruiser? Murtha made it very clear he wanted to pull the troops out of Iraq. Fine, he had a chance to vote to pull the troops out of Iraq and decided to vote against his own plan. The only plan that is going to work is the plan that is being used now. The dems might try and lie that we are losing and that they were morons who were duped by the president, but that is not going to win the war on terror. Of course the BOTTOM LINE is the dems could care less about the troops and winning the war as long as they can do damage to Bush and somehow scam their way back to power. That's the message that America will get when it comes time to vote because it simply can't be hidden.
Originally Posted By itsme Were having a vote, If you want pancakes for breakfast tomorrow. Your vote will determine weather you get them immediately or tomorrow.
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Originally Posted By crapshoot I love the equity. A little over 2000 troops lose their lives fighting for a something that should have been stopped by the Clinton Admin with Beirut, first bombing of the WTC, USS Cole, etc. Terrorisim is the new global political game, it just happens to be centered in Iraq now. It certainly won't go away tomorrow if we pull out of the Middle East. It will spread like a cancer until it reaches here at home one more time. But even with all that, the liberal press could give a rat about the 38,352 lives lost on American Highways last year, but yell out everytime another US Service person loses their life fighting a very, very important mission that is designed to protect everyone. Too bad the press and a few others don't see it that way.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Crapshoot, Bush needs to do a better job at stopping the liberal press from misstating the war on terror and what is at stake. Sadly, until the bombs go off in America and more Americans die, people will be allowed to have teh wool pulled over their eyes by the democrats and their buddies in the press.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <If the insurgents aren't an organized force tantamount to an army, what are they?> Terrorists.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <How will we know the mission is done?> When Iraq is free and prosperous. <What does that look like?> Turkey. <Do we have enough troops on the ground to get there?> Yes.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <So they have to be free AND prosperous before we leave?> We might not leave even then. After all, we're still in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. <How are we going to measure that?> I don't know, but I'm sure we can come up with something.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>If Murtha is such a man, why did he vote against Pulling out of Iraq when he had the chance?<< Because it wasn't at all what he proposed, despite what the voices on the radio might be spinning your way. >>The proposal that was placed to a vote by the GOP was ridiculous on it's face. OF COURSE nobody voted for it. It was a bill that was designed to fail - a time-waster.<< It was a stunt, nothing more, and one I think most moderate Republicans are likely embarassed by.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I don't know, but I'm sure we can come up with something.<< I sure hope that isn't the Bush administration's talking point. It's rather glib when we're talking about American soldiers in harm's way, and I'd think you'd want to know such a thing before a war.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer We only have vague notions of what victory will look like. And we have no plan on how to get there. This isn't good.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It was a stunt, nothing more, and one I think most moderate Republicans are likely embarassed by.> So was Rep. Murtha's bill, and, evidently, moderate Democrats were embarassed by.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <We only have vague notions of what victory will look like. And we have no plan on how to get there.> We have a plan and it's working.
Originally Posted By gadzuux It wasn't murtha's bill - it had GOP fingerprints all over it - that's why he (and most everybody else) voted against it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh The bill said we should do exactly what he called for during his press conference.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "The bill said we should do exactly what he called for during his press conference." No, it didn't.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh The resolution said, "It is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately." At his press conference, Rep. Murtha said, "The United States will immediately redeploy -- immediately redeploy. No schedule which can be changed. Nothing that's controlled by the Iraqis. This is an immediate redeployment of our American forces because they have become the target."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Obviously, this played well to the GOP bedrock -- those who see exactly what the party bosses and spin squads want them to see.
