Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Dabob, stop making sense.>> Oh right, it makes a lot of sense to stop the very programs that are saving american lives just because liberals are concerned Bush is trying for some mythical power grab. Congress gave him the right to do what it takes to protect us from terror attacks. He has shared the programs with members of congress. If people want to be so stupid as to demand we stop the patriot act, the NSA program, ddata mining and the SWIFT program just because they hate Bush then screw them. My family not getting blown up by Akbar and Muhammed while we are at the mall comes first. Liberal terrorist appeasing politics are not important. In fact, they can listen to all my calls... but they are not listening to my phone calls, they are listening to TERRORISTS. OH, STPH, you want to be in the ACLU. Where are all the cases from the ACLU where people have been thrown in jail because of these programs you and your lib buddies want to shut down?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<"want to die?-vote democrat" THAT SOUNDS LIKE A THREAT TO ME>> MagicSnakes, of course it does to you. You have a hard time keeping up.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Everyone wants the NSA to listen to terrorist communications. They just want a warrant first. Simple as that. There's not a shred of evidence that any lives have been saved by any spying that couldn't have been done WITH a warrant, since the target would have been legitimate by defintion.
Originally Posted By ecdc ^^^^Seriously! How do you go from "We want the president to follow the law and obtain a warrant" to "you want the terrorists to win!" It's just childish. I want the FBI, CIA, etc. tracking terrorists just as much as the next guy. I have no love for bin Laden and his ilk. But our laws and freedoms are what separate us from them. Get a warrant. It isn't hard.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <How do you go from "We want the president to follow the law and obtain a warrant" to "you want the terrorists to win!"> The President is following the law, and warrants are obtained when they are required. Forcing the NSA to waste time and energy obtaining warrants when they aren't required helps the terrorists, not us.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy You can't get a warrant for this type of program. How many times do people need to be told this? They are tracking millions of phone call patterns and words. They are not trying to arrest anyone with these wiretaps...yet. The Brooklyn bridge was going to be blown up if not for this program. How do you get warrants for every call out there that has the words Brooklyn bridge when you don't even know what you are listening for? So the warrant thing is a smokescreen by the left. Either that or they don't get how the program works. Either way they are helping the terrorists every time they demand we don't track these calls to our full potential.
Originally Posted By jonvn "You can't get a warrant for this type of program." Then it's an illegal type of program. How many times do YOU need to be told this?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Not all surveilance programs require a warrant. For example, the federal government doesn't need a warrant to examine packages coming in from other nations.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Not all surveilance programs require a warrant." Thanks but that's beside the point.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy jon, the program is not illegal, but lets say it was just for kicks and good times. You are willing to let the terrorists talk on the phone without monitoring them just because you think that would be illegal? You know how dumb that sounds as the bomb goes off that kills 30 thousand people in Miami because we didn't bother to listen to the plan? You need to study American history and how we operate in wartime. If we did it your way we would have lost WWII and the Civil war for starters.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Yeah - we were tapping phones like never before during the civil war. Do YOU know how dumb that sounds?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Linclon suspends habeas corpus during civil war. Gadzuux, look it up and see how your SF libs today would have freaked out on Mr. Lincoln and demanded impeachment. We know the ACLU would have been all over it for sure. This is why America hates the ACLU. Oh, he won the war and freed the slaves by this move among others. But winning wars is not what your side " is into "... now is it?
Originally Posted By jonvn "the program is not illegal, but lets say it was just for kicks" Then it is illegal and you can't do it. The end. "Linclon suspends habeas corpus during civil war." Yes, and it was ruled to be an illegal act, too.
Originally Posted By jonvn In the shocking case that you might wish to actually understand something you are talking about, I found this link: <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/cw/habeas.htm" target="_blank">http://www.etymonline.com/cw/h abeas.htm</a> Which explains what happened during the Civil War.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Lincoln won the war. We also won WWII. They did it by not doing the things the left insists we do today. This is why if you vote for democrats we will lose the war on terror and Americans will die. It really is that simple. Until someone can tell us how they have lost their civil rights they are friends of the terrorists by trying to handcuff us in this war.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Lincoln won the war." He also had a bullet put through his head for being a tyrant. Basically, what it comes down to is that this is not a dictatorship, it is a country of law. That you don't understand it is sad for you, but not surprising. We have laws. Everyone obeys them. Even the President.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Did someone hear a bleating sheep?> Yes. Everytime you post lately.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <He also had a bullet put through his head for being a tyrant.> And yet he's often ranked as our second greatest President. <a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/hail/print_rankings.html" target="_blank">http://www.opinionjournal.com/ hail/print_rankings.html</a>
