Originally Posted By RoadTrip I don't know how accurate that poll is. Bill Clinton, the greatest President of the 20th century is listed as only average. Nixon, who was a damned poor human being but a damned fine President, is listed as below average. And Ike as a "near great"?? He presided over a peaceful and relatively prosperous time in America, but did he really have anything to do with it? Great general, nice man, but near great as President? Hmmm... (Although I agree with Douglas’ basic premise that Lincoln was one of our greatest presidents.)
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Yes. Everytime you post lately." Ahhh Doug, the sound of the obfuscating ox.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy So Lincoln who freed the slaves and kept the nation together was a tyrant jon? I suppose you would have been happier if the ACLU had stopped Abe in his tracks so the South could have won and kept their slaves along with breaking the nation apart? Your such a smart guy.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Bleating. Get it right.> Sorry. Next time you get gored on the horns of truth, I'll correctly note it's your bleating I hear.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I thought it was the sword of truth, more accurately renamed the Spork of Spin.
Originally Posted By ecdc The only thing funnier than YourPalEd's increasingly nonsensical posts is Beau's hilarious attempt to talk American history. But hey, he did get a C+ in high school history and occasionally hears Rush talk about history, so where can you go wrong there!
Originally Posted By ecdc I admire Eisenhower for his comments on the military industrial complex. Sadly, conservatives today like to treat his position like just a passing comment. But Ike's opposition to military spending and arms proliferation was a key point to his first campaign and he wrapped up his Presidency talking about it. It was very important to him. He said that every bomb that's built is another hospital that doesn't get built or another school. Like many Presidents (and I believe this will be the case with Bill Clinton) he was seen as average at best shortly after his Presidency, but gained increasing respect and climbed the list.
Originally Posted By jonvn "So Lincoln who freed the slaves and kept the nation together was a tyrant jon?" Many people at the time felt that way. If you actually knew any history, you'd understand this, but you don't, and I'm not your school teacher. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Sadly, conservatives today like to treat his position like just a passing comment." "Many people at the time felt that way. If you actually knew any history, you'd understand this, but you don't, and I'm not your school teacher." Unfortunately, revisionist history is the only history the hard right increasingly seems to know.
Originally Posted By jonvn And they barely know that. The total lack of knowledge regarding this nation's laws, history, and governmental function is astounding. There are some people here who simply don't understand even the basics of how the federal government works, or what it is and is not supposed to do. High school government class teaches this stuff. In this state, it's required to take and pass that class. But not everyone gets an A in it, it seems.
Originally Posted By jonvn "More bleating." I mean, look at this. What a waste of bandwidth. There are no arguments from this quarter, just "no it's not," and "more bleating." As if that is supposed to mean something. It doesn't.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Now the bleating is in stereo. Two sheeps in the fields, bloodied from being gored by the horns of truth, but still defiant. Bleat. Bleat. Bleat.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<I mean, look at this. What a waste of bandwidth. There are no arguments from this quarter, just "no it's not," and "more bleating." >> Your the waste of bandwith. STPH hasn't had an argument this entire thread and you seem to think his little quips are just fine. History shows that Lincoln did the right thing and his actions not only freed the slaves but he saved the country from breaking apart. Yet I get ecdc, a D student, telling me I don't " get American history ". Exactly what don't I get? I get the fact that you people who want to support the terrorists today by hating Bush are the same people who would have lost us the civil war and WWII if you had your clueless viewpoint put into action. The left helped us lose Viet Nam, isn't that enough or do we have to lose all wars from here on out to make the libs happy?
Originally Posted By jonvn "Your the waste of bandwith." I'm rubber, you're glue. That's all you're left with? Sad.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Yet I get ecdc, a D student, telling me I don't " get American history "." Apparently, you don't.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I said more in my post than that. You and Passholder are the premier blowhards on the site now. You two are great at telling us how you are right so just shut the hell up.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What have I said about American history that is incorrect again jon? YOu don't even understand the founders and how they set the nation up to begin with. Then you ignore how we won past wars and insist we push practices that will kill all of us. What a guy.
