Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<You have shown time and again that you don't. And please show me the quote where the ACLU says "liberalism is another word for socialism.">> OK... Ready.... Now are you going to admit the ACLU are a bunch of socialists along with the rest of the libs? "The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." -- Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential Candidate in 1940, 1944 and 1948, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Game - Set - Match
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Hillary wanted a healthplan that was run in large part by the governemnt. That's socialism Tom.<< it wasn't being run by the government.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Norman Thomas said that, Beau. The ACLU didn't. Show us where the ACLU said that.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Hardly. Unless he was speaking AS a leader of the ACLU, the ACLU did not say this. Any more than taking one of, say, Pat Robertson's loonier quotes would "prove" that all Christians feel that way, or even that one of the organizations he founded officially feels that way. Moreover, all the sources I've seen say the ACLU was founded by Crystal Eastman and Roger Baldwin, but that "eannette Rankin (the first vice president of the organization), Norman Thomas, Scott Nearing, Helen Keller and Jane Adams were also at the table." Want to diss Helen Keller next?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Since Norman Thomas was one of many people around at the founding of the ACLU, that doesn't mean that the organization agrees with his statement. The United States doesn't say that slavery is necessary for the economic stability of the south, even though some of the founding fathers believed it.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy So I give you guys a quote from a FOUNDER of the ACLU that liberalism is the code word for socialism, yet that is not good enough?? LMAO!! Next Tom brings up Roger Baldin of ACLU fame.... who is this guy I ask?? Well.. this guy, a hero to the left, is even a better quote machine.. Fifteen years after the founding of the ACLU, Baldwin wrote: "I am for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself ... I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. " When will you libs just admit your a bunch of wanna be socialists who hate the country as it is and are hell bent on destroying everything that the country has ever been and what has made the country great... including god?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <When will you libs just admit your a bunch of wanna be socialists who hate the country as it is and are hell bent on destroying everything that the country has ever been and what has made the country great... including god?> Um, because none of that is true? You're cute when you rant, though.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >So I give you guys a quote from a FOUNDER of the ACLU that liberalism is the code word for socialism, yet that is not good enough??<< No, it isn't. Just because one person said it doesn't mean that the entire organization holds the same position.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Next Tom brings up Roger Baldin of ACLU fame<< Huh? Where did that come from? If you're going to make stuff up you might want to make sure that it isn't about someone you're talking to.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Huh? Where did that come from? If you're going to make stuff up you might want to make sure that it isn't about someone you're talking to.>> AHH! Sorry Tom. It was Dabob who brought up that hero to all liberals Roger Baldwin of the ACLU. Anyway, I am going to consider this a TKO of the ACLU and their ties to socialist and communists. Since the only people that support the ACLU are liberals ( well almost STPH ), we can make a very clear association to liberals, socialists and communists. It's been this way for years. It's also the stuff the left likes to keep quiet from the normal public.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Anyway, I am going to consider this a TKO of the ACLU and their ties to socialist and communists.<< You can consider it a box of Junior Mints if it will make you feel better about yourself. Just don't be surprised if no one else calls it that.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I don't know how they couldn't call it what it is Tom. I have quotes from ACLU founders declaring their love for socialism and communism. Who supports the ACLU? Not conservatives or Republicans. We HATE the ACLU. Liberals who are basically socialists without admitting it out in public support the ACLU. Anyway... next.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I have quotes from ACLU founders declaring their love for socialism and communism.<< I can dig up quotes from the Founding Fathers speaking out in favor of slavery, or in opposition to letting women vote. Just because an individual says something, that doesn't mean the entire organization agrees.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Not conservatives or Republicans. We HATE the ACLU.<< Beaumandy has been crowned King of Republicans and Conservatives, for he now speaks for all of us.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy But the ACLU still uses their founders ( you know, the socialist and communist ) blueprint as their modern day plan of attack. They want a godless, socialist, secular nation that is going to lay down and let the terrorists win. I can back this statement up with hundreds of links and stories. Pretty typical stuff from the left.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>They want a godless, socialist, secular nation that is going to lay down and let the terrorists win<< Yep. It says that, right on their business cards. New drinking game: Down a shot every time Beaumandy posts the phrase "and let terrorists win".
Originally Posted By Beaumandy If you are a republican or a conservative and you don't hate the ACLU, then you are not really a conservative or a republican. You are more likely a liberal who wants to be called a moderate. Kinda like senators Spector or Hagel. How can you POSSIBLY like the ACLU if you are a conservative? It's simply impossible.
