Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Douglas, please show me evidence that Bill Clinton never jumped in his Delorean and traveled back to 1955. You can't. >>Sandy Berger never declined to implement a plan<< That is not what is portrayed in the scene in question.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Douglas, please show me evidence that Bill Clinton never jumped in his Delorean and traveled back to 1955. You can't.> Spin, spin, spin. <That is not what is portrayed in the scene in question.> How would you know? You're taking the word of those in the Clinton administration hoping to whitewash history.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder This thread has officially jumped the shark. I now declare George Bush to be a cross dressing circus clown who makes Laura put on fake bull horns and then yells "Gore me, baby, Gore me" every Friday night after the servants have gone for the evening. Since I say it's true, it is. Prove me wrong otherwise. Show me video footage of the presidential quarters from every Friday night since Bush took office.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Douglas, as you know, the scene in question shows the CIA at a house in Afghanistan with bin laden inside. They call 'Washington' for the okay to attack, and Sandy Berger says the administration wants no part of it and hangs up on the shocked CIA agent. It didn't happen. But if you get your flux-capacitor functioning again, you could travel back in time and set things right. Until then, you're okay with them making stuff up. Noted.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The difference here is that no one bothered to check with the Clinton Administration before changing the facts in their little story. So it's quite hard to presume there was a consensus on the factuality in this film.< Sounds like a room full of lie detectors could sort out the final release - do we think there'd be any takes on either side ? I thought not
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It didn't happen.> Again, how do you know? Were you there in Afghanistan, or in Washington? How do you even know what the scene was? Have you already seen the show?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>spin, spin, spin<< At least you're more concise by just saying 'spin, spin, spin' as oppossed to the rest of your contributions to this thread. You've truly embarassed yourself.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You've truly embarassed yourself.> I'm not the one taking the word of proven liars as the gospel truth.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I now declare George Bush to be a cross dressing circus clown who makes Laura put on fake bull horns and then yells "Gore me, baby, Gore me" every Friday night after the servants have gone for the evening.< you do realize the irony in this post I hope -- all we need is some hanging chad decorations in the room and this is ready for the analyst -- LOL
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Again, how do you know?<< Asked, and answered. >>"Gore me, baby, Gore me"<< She wants him to lose the popular vote but win the electoral count? Kinky.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I'm not the one taking the word of proven liars as the gospel truth.<< The executive producer of the show is a proven liar?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Asked, and answered.> Sorry, no. Now you're not only spinning, you're dodging too.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The executive producer of the show is a proven liar?> When did the executive producer state the things you have claimed?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Answering the same question three + times, isn't dodging. You ask as if I haven't answered it. I know you're smarter than this. But one more time... THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER SAID IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. He admits that it didn't go down that way. HE said so. But if you want to believe that the scene reallly happened, enjoy yourself. Just don't be surprised when you're taken less seriously because of an apparent inability to separate fact from fiction.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Well, according to Richard Clarke, it not only didn't happen, it wasn't even accurate in spirit. In fact, it was completely inaccurate even in spirit. " Richard Clarke, the former counter-terrorism czar, and a national security advisor to ABC has described the program as “deeply flawed†and said of the program’s depiction of a Clinton official hanging up on an intelligence agent, “It’s 180 degrees from what happened.â€"
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER SAID IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. He admits that it didn't go down that way. HE said so.> Well, that's not what you said earlier. You said he admitted it was conflation of several events. Are you sure you were listening to the executive producer, and not some voice in your head? I've never claimed any scene was literally true. I haven't seen the movie, and I wasn't present in the Clinton administration when it was happening. But neither were you, so it seems a little presumptious of you to declare that ABC shouldn't be showing the movie because of the criticism of the Clinton administration.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Well, according to Richard Clarke, it not only didn't happen, it wasn't even accurate in spirit.> That's funny. That's the same thing some of Richard Clarke's collegues said about his book.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The screenwriter/producer, Cyrus Nowrasteh, is pretty well known as a partisan conservative, and almost certainly didn't approach this without an agenda. He says of himself: "Listen. I’m probably more of a libertarian than a strict conservative. In my writing and directing, I don’t want to just be a conservative version of Michael Moore. " ... which tells you that he may well be a conservative version of Michael Moore. ABC shouldn't have hired someone like Moore OR Nowrasteh to do this.
