Originally Posted By Beaumandy >>This all goes back to the fact that you can't be a liberal and a biblical christian without having major conflicts in your life.<< Hogwash>> Not hogwah. You are in a political party that litterally hate Christians. No conflict there Tom? Then your going to have to join a church that is liberal and doesn't teach the bible as it is meant to be taught. That being, teaching the word of God as it is written, not teaching it based on some new age interpretation that makes everyone in the church feel good.
Originally Posted By planodisney So roadTrip, were qwe provoked upon entering into war with Bosnia? Or is it just an evil unprovoked attack when a Republican administration is in office? We had far less reason to have anything to do with what was going on over there than we do in Iraq, wouldnt you agree? Although, I supported that action as well, and was very proud of Clinton, even if I thought he was a pig at the time, and our country. Likewise, I am proud of our position in Iraq!! You cant realistically say that the New Testemant forbids what we did in iraq. That would be like saying that fighting back against someone who is kicking you you know what, is a sine because the New Testament says to turn the other cheeck.
Originally Posted By planodisney I dont see BIg Bad Monsters, i see small sneeky, quiet termites who seek to slowly eat away at our traditions and values while noone notices.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You are in a political party that litterally hate Christians. No conflict there Tom?<< They don't hate Christians. >>That being, teaching the word of God as it is written, not teaching it based on some new age interpretation that makes everyone in the church feel good.<< My church does teach the Bible as it is written. Our liturgical cycle goes through the entire bible, cover to cover, every three years. Since our readings are based on this calendar, it guides what the sermon will be about that week. Other churches will pull the quotes out of the Bible to support whatever it is they want to talk about that week, but that means they may not read entire passages in context, as we do. I think there is more room for inaccurate interpretations when a congregation is given only certain passages that support the point that someone is trying to make. I read the Daily Office every day at <a href="http://www.stpaulsdarien.org/zlectprog.asp" target="_blank">http://www.stpaulsdarien.org/z lectprog.asp</a> - it's the online version of the lectionary. The passages are linked to the great Bible Gateway site, where you can read any of a number of different translations. I'm most comfortable with the New International Version, but I love the way the King James version sounds.
Originally Posted By planodisney BTW, have you guys seen the changes coming to DCA? VERY EXCITING!!!! Just lightening it up a bit.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>i see small sneeky, quiet termites who seek to slowly eat away at our traditions and values while noone notices.<< Tell me about it. I see them, too.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<That would be like saying that fighting back against someone who is kicking you you know what, is a sine because the New Testament says to turn the other cheeck.>> That, as you know, is exactly what the Bible tells us to do: Matthew 5:39 (New International Version) 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. Luke 6:29 (New International Version) 29If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Now could I personally do that? Probably not. But I have no doubt that is what God would want me to do.
Originally Posted By planodisney To not ever defend yourself? I dont think so. You gorget that God of the New Testament is the same God as the Old Testament. He definitely felt there was a time for defense. Should we have turned the other cheeck when the Jews were being exterminated?hould the Jews themselves have turned the other cheeck and not defended their lives and the lives of their families. Some how i dont think that is what Jesus was implying there, and surely deep down you realise that roadTrip. S
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>You gorget that God of the New Testament is the same God as the Old Testament.<< But there is a New Covenant. Same God, new contract.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Why would God tell us to turn the other cheek, to not resist? Because He understands the power of non-violence. He knows the way we're designed. And he understands that defending yourself doesn't always have to be done with a fist or a gun. Gandhi knew that. The people of Eastern Europe and those who danced on top of the Berlin Wall knew that. Martin Luther King knew that. And Jesus knew that.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Because He understands the power of non-violence.>> And Hitler was going to be defeated without violence how again?? Saddam was going to be removed from power without violence how again? The bible is full of stories where God tells his people to smite down evil.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>The bible is full of stories where God tells his people to smite down evil.<< Up until the point that Christ dies for us and victory over evil is won. What do you think you're celebrating at Easter? Colored eggs?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'm confused. They same folk who use the Bible to damn homosexuality are those saying that God was just kidding with this turn the other cheek stuff. I guess you get to kind of pick and choose what parts you like, huh? Excuse me, but isn't that what you were accusing liberals of doing? Must be OK to pick and choose when it supports the CONSERVATIVE point of view.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Thank God I'm becoming a Catholic. These questions have been dealt with over the past 2000 years. 1. They teach the Bible as written since it was written by Catholics for Catholics. Well, technically, the Old Testament was written by Hebrews for Hebrews and the New Testament was written by Hebrew Catholics (except for Luke who was a Gentile Catholic) for all Catholics. 2. Unjust wars are illicit and should not be fought. 3. Marriage is a Sacrament of the Church, and the Church teaches that marriage is between a man and a woman for the because "it is not good for man to be alone" in order to perpetuate the species. 4. Catholic social teaching, which all Catholics are OBLIGED to believe is in stark contrast to the many of the economic planks in the platform of the Republican Party. ON THE OTHER HAND, Catholic moral teaching, which all Catholics are OBLIGED to believe is in stark contrast with many of the social issues planks of the Demorat Party.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Ask a liberal if homosexuality is a sin based on what the bible says and watch them slam the bible.> Or maybe watch him (try to) educate you about what the Bible actually says (and does not say) about the subject.
Originally Posted By planodisney It is your opinion that iraq is an unjust war. i would agree that an unjust war would definitely be against the word of god. Hitler seeking to conquer europe by force. Saddam invading Kuwait. Protecting ourselves from a madman who has used WMD's against his own people and invaded a neighboring country and who the whole world thought posessed WMD's which was too dangerous for us to let go by, considering he was violating the cease fire agrement, is not an unjust war. Anyone who think so is living in partisan land. Was bosnia unjust? So, you guys are saying that god would have wanted the Jews, and the allies in WW2 to turn the other cheek? Man how on Earth did you guys develop this liberal worl view? One of lifes mysterie i guess.
Originally Posted By planodisney WOW!!! Can I make any more mistakes in my typing? I'll do better guys.
