Originally Posted By Donny Fox news will come out this just fine.As an investor it seems like a good time to buy news corp stock.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 At this point, insisting the two are the same means you're just not looking --- I admit I watch neither very often- but I can tell you I can hear perfectly fine and I had MSNBC turned on a few times at WDW when I was there and it was filled with the same hyperbole and slant even on the story introductions ( albeit from the far other side) as Fox- which is why I never watch that any more also. I did not write down examples but it was enough in just a few days to completely poiss me off as they stated what was purely opinion as fact to start the discourse.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Murdoch SHOULDN'T come out of this fine (this is REALLY low and sleazy stuff), but he might anyway.
Originally Posted By alexbook As a gambler, it might be a good time to buy. As an investor, I'd be more cautious. Too many unknowns.
Originally Posted By mawnck I don't have cable, so I took advantage of the opportunity to do some news watching while I was visiting my parents last month. My somewhat informed take on the big three was as follows: (1) MS-NBC: Definitely presented with a self-conscious liberal slant, but the best, most informed reporting of the big three cable networks. Didn't seem to be shying away from reporting facts that may have disagreed with the liberal bias. (2) Fox: Full of crap, in every possible respect. Blatant slanting of absolutely everything, and that includes the "pure" news shows. (3) CNN: The worst of the three, in that they didn't really report much of anything. I saw a lot of superficial headlines, a lot of happy talk and a lot of pushing their facebook account. This one REALLY surprised me. Now I understand why their ratings continue to plummet. It's not because they're middle of the road, it's just because they suck. Makes me appreciate NPR even more.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ecdc's point was not slant, but factual accuracy. --- didn't say anywhere in my response it was not..as I clearly stated I can only base my response on the amount of time I azctually saw MSNBC @ WDW-- or the last time I saw Fox News ( over 3-4 years ago) - my opinion is based on that sample size period, and I clearly stated that. ecdc 's samples I am sure are accurate - but they are samples, my sample differed.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>BBC America is usually worth a look too.<< Especially if you want to know what's happening outside the USA. I sometimes check out Al Jazeera online.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 BBC America sometimes has news on things here in the US the networks don't cover because it's not a 'shock' story
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "but they are samples, my sample differed." Wait-so are you saying MSNBC wad factually inaccurate? Because you only mentioned hype and slant, which no one disputes they have. But ecdc pointed out that Fox and Msnbc are not just two sides of the same coin, because Fox goes for the full trifecta, adding inaccuracy. So was Msnbc inaccurate too? Specific examples?
Originally Posted By ecdc I'd add (hopefully obviously) that I'm not claiming some sort of special privilege of MSNBC to never make errors. Journalism what it is today, I'm sure anyone can Google this and find times when an MSNBC story had factual errors. The difference is MSNBC corrects themselves and the frequency of errors is significantly less. While MSNBC probably lines up more with other media outlets, Fox is a veritable cash of just laughable mistakes and lies. One does not have to like MSNBC to acknowledge the difference. They do lean left; conservatives may not like that. But that does not equate to "they're the same as Fox News." Or to put it more succinctly, you can bleed from a small nick or from a gunshot wound. Probably shouldn't say they're the same thing and you most definitely shouldn't treat them the same way.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 So was Msnbc inaccurate too? Specific examples? --- Again, I didn't think I'd be doing a grad school thesis on the stories and they made me angry at the time- I only watchon and off for maybe an hour or two the whole time. I do not remember anything said being dactually inaccurate ( one story was on union pensions) but what they did was provide 'one side' of the issue and left out a ton of items to make sure the way the story was introduced was the way it stayed and came across. I wish I could be more accurate in remembering but I did not take notes.. you don't have to be factually inaccurate to slant a story - what you include and exclude from a story will do the same thing
Originally Posted By vbdad55 They do lean left; conservatives may not like that. But that does not equate to "they're the same as Fox News." --- if I was a tried and true conservative I'd buy that..I am not..much more a moderate /independent which is why I actually like all the facts and as little slant as possible in my news Fox surely doesn't do that - but neither does MSNBC If you want to say one is worse than the other- go ahead....you might be right as I do not have a big enough base to judge as well as someone who watches both all the time... again I can only give you my opinion that there was little effort to provide a balanced story from what I watched.. to me much like in some threads in LP-- the OP titles the thread where you know where it is headed before another word is typed. If you say Fox is factually inaccurate as well ( not just exclusion of facts I will go with that because again I haven't seen it on at least 3 years) - if they are that would make them worse I suppose- but neither gets a star as to where I want my news from
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If you say Fox is factually inaccurate as well ( not just exclusion of facts I will go with that because again I haven't seen it on at least 3 years)> They are. There have been countless examples posted here (and elsewhere on the 'net certainly) over the years. And they don't issue corrections, as CNN or MSNBC do when they make an honest mistake. They just let the false statements stand, and their acolytes believe them. And that IS worse than what MSNBC does. There's a REASON people think that Obama has raised taxes on them (when he's actually cut them), or that Saddam was behind 9/11. Demonstrably false things that a huge percentage of Fox viewers believed. And yes, there have been studies that show that Fox viewers are far more apt to believe demonstrably false statements than viewers of other outlets. Other outlets can create false impressions, but Fox is the undisputed king; and you can even argue that it is quite intentional - even calculated - on their part.
Originally Posted By gadzuux The latest fox canard is that the president is responsible for the debt ceiling, and this whole situation is a failure on Obama's part. This gets repeated endlessly, in various forms. Obviously, fox exists to push an agenda and demogogue Obama for anything and everything they can think of. The problem is that budgetary matters are the responsibility of congress - clearly delineated in the constitution that they revere so much. But that pesky fact doesn't suit their narrative. It's indisputably the responsibility of congress, but congress is incapable of doing their job - solely because of the intransigence of the tea party ideologues who stubbornly refuse to negotiate anything. But if fox says it's the president's fault, viewers believe it without question, while never being presented with actual facts. And they call this "news".
Originally Posted By Donny You know when ever I want to know whats on Fox I watch MSNBC, they seem to talk about FOX more Fox ever cares about MSNBC.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<The latest fox canard is that the president is responsible for the debt ceiling, and this whole situation is a failure on Obama's part<< I pray most people are not sold on this-- there is an entire COngress and many state cgovernments to blame for this. There is enough blame to go around. I live in a totally Dem run state ( for the past 50 years) and it is the height of corruption and mismanagement. There are other states that have been GOP run that have severe issues as well..pick your crooks. Off shoring of jobs started under the CLinton Admin ( I know as this is my field of corp work) - and continued all thru W and continues today-- gee to me that is both parties. The GOP - the party I wanted to be fiscally conservative - spent out of their asses during W's admin and every single person I know - knows that. Now they're 'sorry' and will do better. SOrry I don't believe any of them any more. As a registered GOP ( have to to vote in primaries in my county) - but officially independent/moderate... I'd have to be an idiot to blame Obama for the debt ceiling. Now have changes that I was hoping would occur during this admin happened..in many cases no- and in others way to slow - especially for control they had. But - to blame this admin for where we are is ludicrous. I sit here in the midwest and wonder sometimes - who the hell watches Fox national news..the people I know ( and it's not many) are nuts. I was so disappointed when I saw a similar slant ) other side0 on MSNBC when in WDW it just made me shake my head. I wonder where our hope lies....and wonder how much more pain we will all endure for the sake of 'politics'. it all makes my head hurt
Originally Posted By gadzuux Another oft repeated fox lie is that "Obama broke his promise to close Guantanamo". Fact is, Obama issued an executive order to close Guantanamo shortly after assuming office. House republicans immediately attacked it, defunded it, used every legislative trick they had to prevent the closure. It worked, and Guantanamo is active to this day, staining the reputation and integrity of our nation, much to the delight of republicans everywhere. Yet they're so disingenuous that they also continue to assert that "Obama lied" when THEY are the only reason that the facility continues to this day. This is a clear indicator that they don't have the first clue about the meaning of honor and integrity.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>You know when ever I want to know whats on Fox I watch MSNBC, they seem to talk about FOX more Fox ever cares about MSNBC.<< You mean the way Fox talks about a satirical news show on Comedy Central?
