Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I truly believe the rush (pun only slightly intended) by some to have everything 'all figured out/bottom line' is borne of a steady diet of talk radio or limiting reading to only one slant on the news. On talk radio (both left and right), a host can make bold pronouncements with no one there to correct or challenge them. Calls are carefully screened. And much of the audience consists of people frustrated and looking for a voice that is them to assure them that their side is right in all things. It makes for some lazy thinking, and spirals downward from there. It also leads to this sense that one must find that "GOTCHA!" in every issue, when most issues are not simple, not black & white, and most have multiple possible solutions. I think here we see an imbalance of this kind of thing coming from the conservative side really basically by one or two posters at this point. But in the real world, I see the same lazy thinking on both sides of the political spectrum. It's what's turned me off of both parties at this point. So, I disagree with the idea that there aren't some intellectual conservatives participating on the boards. I like it when they participate, because almost always, they bring up something I hadn't thought of before, making me re-examine whatever viewpoint I have. Several times, a point is brought up by one side or the other that makes me change my mind on an issue. (At which point, I'll get called 'confused' or something. I thought the point of discussing these topics was exactly that -- to hear the arguments, hash it all out, and perhaps sometime be moved to change one's mind, not simply a case of two opposing teams fighting.) Perhaps the intellectual conservatives don't participate as often as some, but that probably has to do with their own frustration that they wind up getting cheered on by a poster whose tactics they themselves don't really approve of either, and they're smart enough to know that often you're known by the company you keep. But that's just a guess.
Originally Posted By Shooba Post 181 is very true IMO, especially: >>Perhaps the intellectual conservatives don't participate as often as some, but that probably has to do with their own frustration that they wind up getting cheered on by a poster whose tactics they themselves don't really approve of either, and they're smart enough to know that often you're known by the company you keep. But that's just a guess.<< Just look at previous discussions on the assistance provided to Katrina victims. Anyone could have predicted there would be abuse, and it's worth discussing if there was a better way to provide quick assistance. The trouble is, the comments were so racist that I suspect many people would be uncomfortable expressing any agreement, even if they agree based on factors other than race.
Originally Posted By jonvn Very good post 181. I'm actually rather conservative on a lot of different issues. And I'm perfectly willing to agree with a conservative viewpoint when it's a reasoned one. Or if information is given that is not taken from some conservative op-ed piece. Or, at the very least, agree to disagree. Reasonable people can do that. I think the conservative viewpoint here is given a rather poor representation.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Seems to me that the conservatives usually end up being right. We were right about John Kerry being a guaranteed loser, we were right about Gay Marriage being a loser idea, we were right about the 10 Commandments being legal on public ground because the " wall of seperation " is a liberal myth, and finally we were right about Plamegate. When I see the people who are wrong on so many issues telling us how smart they are and that nobody on the right can give them a good argument we all just have to shake our heads because these people are simply mental it seems. Memo to these people. Before you tell us how smart you are feel free to actually be right about something. Unreal.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << I think the conservative viewpoint here is given a rather poor representation. >> Sure jon. Then you defend Ed. Enough said regarding who you are.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << Oh, hey, how about the 17,000 scientist thing with the global warming? Like, every single independent organization that studies the situation all basically say the same thing. But this person comes up with this one organization with ties to big corporations that says otherwise, so all that goes out the window. Then he comes up with some petition with who knows what people on it, and that somehow invalidates all the rest of it, too.>> You said on here in the most direct way possible that man made global warming is a consensus among scientists. You insisted on this at least a dozen times like a child who insists the tooth fairy is living in the basement. I then give you a petition that was signed by 17 THOUSAND scientists, all very real scientists in climatology from all over America, who say you are full of it and man made global warming is a scam. Kinda like Plamegate. You can even see who the 17 THOUSAND scientists are if you really cared to look Ray. Yet you STILL say you are right and nobody has given you any reason to say you are wrong. You see jon, it's stuff like this that you do all the time as you tell us how smart you are and how you can't get a good debate from the conservatives. It's why you get shuffled to the bottom of the deck now when it comes to serious posts on certain subjects. I'm sure the libs will stick up for you, but the normal people who read these threads will see exactly what is going on.
Originally Posted By DAR <<<The piece is about "Death of a President," a British film that depicts the assassination of George Bush and its aftermath.>>> <<This is the left in all their glory. They lose elections so they are now down to a fantasy where they kill Bush. Pretty sick but not surprising with these people.>> Actually I think whether the President is Republican or Democrat it's in pretty poor taste.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "But it is the same thing they did when they didn't like what Michael Moore had to say. Instead of pointing out the errors in his facts, they started calling him fat." In all fairness, that's what the left resorted to in the case of Rush Limbaugh years ago. If you can't fight with logic, insult your party personally. It happens on both sides of the aisle.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Perhaps the intellectual conservatives don't participate as often as some, but that probably has to do with their own frustration that they wind up getting cheered on by a poster whose tactics they themselves don't really approve of either, and they're smart enough to know that often you're known by the company you keep. But that's just a guess.>> Accordig to jon, there are no intellectual conservatives on here, so at least you don't buy that crap k2man. But to say that they don't post very much on here because I will be there cheering them on is lazy thinking not to mention stupid. ( well, maybe Dland Dug feels this way ) I e-mail and am friends with many of the conservatives on here. We don't have a lot of conservatives on here because they don't like being outnumbered 7 to one, they don't like the constant Christian bashing from the left and they don't like being called the lame lib manes of homophobe, facist, bigot, and hatemonger. Now we conseratives are called stupid by jon as he started theis thred. It's simply no fun for to be attacked for giving an honest opinion to most people. I guess I am one of the freaks who likes to mix it up with the ever hostile, crazed left. I love to expose them and know that when they start calling me names instead of giving a counter arguemnt they have lost... again. I like to challenge these losers at Universities and at their pro terrorist protests. I like to challenge ACLU attorneys for being the scum they are every time I meet one. Why? Because they deserve it for hating the country and for helping the enemy during war. Normal good Americans don't act like the left. It's why they lose and it's why they are forced to lie about pretty much everything these days. The libs hate any opposition. They will do everything to not debate a suject but to silence anyone who calls them out. We see it on here with me all the time. When they start saying there are no conservatives who are intellects we all know they have lost it. Hey jon, you might want to actaully WIN a debate before you tell us how smart you are. Just a suggestion. Oh, k2man... Rush, Medved, Hannity, and many other conservatives take many, many calls from liberals and give them a lot of air time. Especially Medved and Mark Levine. You will NEVER find this with a lib radio show. Never. They can't let themselves ever get into an actual debate with a conservative on their show because they know they will get hammered with the facts. Yet according to jon, the libs are very intellectual.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy "But it is the same thing they did when they didn't like what Michael Moore had to say. Instead of pointing out the errors in his facts, they started calling him fat." Moore is fat. He is also another liberal liar and has been exposed so much to be one it's not even fun to take shots at him anymore. Notice how he is pretty much out of site these days? Rush is only going stronger than ever. Wow jon, must be those liberal intellectuals again.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom In responce to post # 183: <<<Just look at previous discussions on the assistance provided to Katrina victims. Anyone could have predicted there would be abuse, and it's worth discussing if there was a better way to provide quick assistance. The trouble is, the comments were so racist that I suspect many people would be uncomfortable expressing any agreement, even if they agree based on factors other than race.>>> The ONLY individuals playing the race card in any of the Katrina threads were the Democrats and the media. As individuals on this board any of us have a right to respond to an article or world event going on. The Democrats seized the opportunity that hurrican Katrina presented to attack the President and the "have to do's" in this country. These individuals couldn't argue the facts. They couldn't argue that Mayor Nagin didn't give an evacuation order until 19 hours prior to hurricane Katrina toched down in New Orleans. They couldn't argue that MANY residents of New Orelans failed to leave ( despite hundred of available buses, and Amtrack agreeing to help take people out of the city ). They couldn't argue that Mayor Nagin and Governor whats her name never implemented their own Emergency Responce Plan. They couldn't argue that Mayor Nagin and Governor whats her name never provisioned their "shelters of last resort". They can't aruge that after the hurricane passed residents actually were looting and pilliaging the city. They couldn't argue that Rescue personel and relief workers were being shot at. They couldn't aruge that in the decades of years prior to hurricane Katrina, New Orleans never made any attempt at fortifying or strenghting the levees. They can't argue that the murder rate in Houston, Texas has gone up 17% since Houston has taken in refugees and that 20% of ALL murders in the city of Houston, Texas involve a New Orleans refugee. Because these "Democrats" or "Liberals" can't debate the facts. They respond in a blantant attack by calling anyone who doesn't agree with them racist.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd New Orleans, was indeed a crime ridden city, but even you knew that before the hurricane, and you know it became that way due to your racism. Only the poorist, and those on the lam, want to live below sea level, with a wall holding back destruction next to them. Only the poor and the enemy creating parasites, which all republicans are, and any democrat who supports a war, claiming any religion in this world, like islam is facist. ONly a sicko, who was an enemy of america, would even conceive of such a thing.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom In responce to post # 193: <<New Orleans, was indeed a crime ridden city,>> Yes, sadly it was. <<and you know it became that way due to your racism.>> Not true. I loved New Orlans. I thought it was one of the best cities in the world. But I thought it was terrible how the city and the residents allowed landmarks like the Apollo Theater to deterioate. Instead of cherishing the beauty and charm the city had to offer "all". The city emphusatically embrassed legalized gambling. I lived in Rhode Island long enough to know that is synomomous with the Mafia. Mafia means more crime. New Orleans was a beautiful city its awful that the city abandoned its historic charm and embrassed more crime. Just awful. Some of us are still in shock over how "bad" New Orleans got during the 90s and up until 2005. Unfortunately the rest of the world found out too.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<You said on here in the most direct way possible that man made global warming is a consensus among scientists.>>> Everyone knows this. People, even your friends might not mention it to you, because you always deny it, but everyone knows it is true. When you repeat it, and make up petitions with 17,000 scientists on it, after republican news sources had the 70 someodd nobel laurettes, is sort of sad to me even, i'm sorry to say. I mean, everyone knows the only reason bush says it, is because the next step is to actually stop polluting. Still, i just wonder if bush maybe is helping by being so adamant. By giving credence to the lowest common denomenator in human intelligence, he leaves those in the know, at an advantage. Those who are ignorant, who want to be told what to do, instead of thinking for themselves, are being told bad things to do. It's a learning process. They either figure out bush is a liar, or they end up dying. I mean sure i would rather big business switch to hydrogen/oxygen, but if they don't , i think gasoline should be $100 a gallon, so people start using it as much. Instead of stopping industry, it wll bring it back to a sorely missing spot in america... social interaction. Instead of a feudal state with technology, as george lucas predicts in, star wars, instead, of staying with kings, or queens, or tyrants, and dictators, we could be more communal, more kabutz like, but the shared responsibilites, shouldnt be weapons detail. Instead it should be an exporation of the wonders of life. <<<You insisted on this at least a dozen times like a child who insists the tooth fairy is living in the basement.>>> I don't see your point jonvn, in trying to force someone like this to change. I usually know if someone has spent the time to read and respond to my stuff. Just a suggestion, but respond with passion to those who read and agree. Those who dont read at all, but repeat, always, i wouldn't read. I see beaumandy's repetition as a premise, before stating one or two knew views. Like me, repeating the fact the known traitor, george bush, is always lying, and the media is always lying, i like everyone to know the truth first. Then the discussion can continue. <<<I then give you a petition that was signed by 17 THOUSAND scientists, all very real scientists in climatology from all over America, who say you are full of it and man made global warming is a scam.>>> There is no petition. When you make up statements you are seen as a child, who is making up obviously made up statements, in a childish way of imitating known facts. I don't think being a child is bad though, i think you have every right to deny the truth as often as you like. After all that is what republicans do for a living. All republicans are parasites, whose careers are based on lies. It's the same in all the industries. That's how they got ahead in the first place, either lying outright, or keeping quiet, and keeping others quiet. Maybe he just wants you to give him the latest scoop about global warning, since he hasn't checked the news out in a while. <<<like Plamegate. You can even see who the 17 THOUSAND scientists are if you really cared to look Ray.>>> They are made up by delusional people. Pretty obvious, even to an idiot like me.
Originally Posted By woody <<and you know it became that way due to your racism.>> Nagin is a black mayor. Is he racist?
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<< <<The piece is about "Death of a President," a British film that depicts the assassination of George Bush and its aftermath.>> This is the left in all their glory. They lose elections so they are now down to a fantasy where they kill Bush.>>>> The republicans censored this, and many other similar films for the last 3 years or so. It was the republicans, who placed this story in the media, so as to scare republicans. The known traitor, karl rove, thought now was the time, to distract us away from his sickness. The known traitor, dkarl rove is into sado/masachism, in case you didn't know. The war was an excuse for him to be able to sexually torture other human beings. When they talk about a secret person, being brought to abu gharab to have a personal show of an iraqi prisioner, it wasn't bush, it was rove. He would manipulate himself, while watching. I know you know this is true, even though the facts have been printed in a nicer way. I want bush tried in court by his peers. It's good for america. And if, hee hee, and if...hahahaha, an, oh excuse me, and if convicted, he will be incarcerated for at least a year and a half, so he can write his book and be ready for the talk circuit, and in 3 to 4 years, he will come back hammering the same points, and get on with life.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<< <<and you know it became that way due to your racism.>> Nagin is a black mayor. Is he racist?>>> You know he is black, so he has a right to be a racist. He is a victim too! Instead of being president of the united states of america, like Nagin should have been 5 years ago, instead the best Nagin is allowed to do in our white racist america, is become mayor of a crime ridden city, new orleans, the capital of black public housing. That was what he was allowed to do with his aspirations. Oh, but no one was holding him back, just not very supportive.
Originally Posted By DAR <<You know he is black, so he has a right to be a racist. He is a victim too!>> I remember when Dr. King gave that speech.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<They couldn't argue that Mayor Nagin and Governor whats her name never implemented their own Emergency Responce Plan. They couldn't argue that Mayor Nagin and Governor whats her name never provisioned their "shelters of last resort".>> Just for the record... Governor Kathleen B. Blanco.
