Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Oh, hey, how about the 17,000 scientist thing with the global warming? Like, every single independent organization that studies the situation all basically say the same thing. But this person comes up with this one organization with ties to big corporations that says otherwise, so all that goes out the window. Then he comes up with some petition with who knows what people on it, and that somehow invalidates all the rest of it, too. It's base stupidity. I mean, it's as if everything is either black or white, with no idea of what context something is in, or anything. It's all just one big monolith of ignorance. >> Hey jon. Hey Mr. Man made Global Warming is real. I know you are the self proclaimed intellectual on here but you said you didn't know who was on that petetion. I have 17 THOUSAND scientists who signed a petetion saying you are full of it. Either you are really ignorant and confused or you are a liar. Anyway.. since you said you didn't know who signed this petetion I thought I would give you the real Scientists whos name starts with " A ". I can get you the rest of the list if you would like but hey, what's the point of that with a guy who thinks he knows all. Earl Aagaard, PhD, Roger L Aamodt, PhD, M Robert Aaron, Ralph F Abate, Hamed Abbas, PhD, Reza Abbaschian, PhD, Paul Abbett, Wyatt E Abbitt III, David M Abbott Jr, Ursula K Abbott, PhD, Will S Abbott, Riaz F. Abdulla, PhD, J M Abell, Philip H Abelson, PhD, Wayne Aben, Grady Ables, Earl A Abrahamson, PhD, John Abrams, David Acerni, J Wayne Achee, Hans J. Achemann, D T Achord, PhD, Ernest Achterberg, Gene Ackerman, John R Ackerman, William Ackerman, Richard E. Ackermann, Terry Ackman, Donald O Acrey, Lee Actor, Robert K Adair, PhD, Brian Adam, PhD, Chris Adam, John A Adam, PhD, Adams, Arthur Adams, Brook Adams, Charles K Adams, Craig Adams, Daniel Adams, PhD, Daniel B Adams Jr, Dell Adams, Donald Adams, Donald S Adams, Eugene Adams, Gail D Adams, PhD, George B Adams, PhD, Gerald J Adams, PhD, Gregory Adams, Henry Adams, Henry Adams, Howard Adams, James W Adams, Jim Adadms, John Adams, John E Adams, PhD, Kent A. Adams, Leonard C A Adams, PhD, Louis W Adams, PhD, Michael P Adams, Neil Adams, PhD, Opal Adams, Peter Adams, Phillip Adams, PhD, Richard E Adams, Richard L Adams, Robert F Adams, Roy B Adams, Roy M Adams, PhD, Steve W Adams, Walter Adams, William D Adams, William M Adams, PhD, William W Adams, Wilton Adams, PhD, Wilton T Adams, PhD, Wm J Adams, George Adcock, Rusty Adcock, MD, Lionel P Adda, PhD, Albert W Addington, Tim Addington, Bill Addison, John K Addy, PhD, C William Ade, Albert H Adelman, PhD, Barnet R Adelman, L A Adkins, Michael F Adkins, Ronald A Adkins, PhD, T Adkins, Norman Adler, PhD, Lt Col Jacques J Adnet, Anthrony J Adrignolo, PhD, Harry Adrounie, PhD, Richard A Adsero, Steven E Aeschbach, Stephen Affleck, PhD, Siegfried Aftergut, PhD, Jack Agan, Larry D Agenbroad, PhD, Sven Agerbek, George Aggen, PhD, Vincent Agnello, MD, Kenneth Agnes, Mark Agnew, M C Agress, Jorge T Aguinadlo, Roy Ahalt, Robert Aharonov, Richard Ahern, Phillip Ahlberg, Kevin Ahlborg, Mark Ahlert, Terry Ahlquist, Mumtaz Ahmed, PhD, Rafique Ahmed, PhD, Robert Ahokas, PhD, H W Ahrenholz, Edward Ahrens, Rolland W Ahrens, PhD, Robert M Ahring, PhD, John J Aiello, Joseph P. Aiello, MD, S F Aiello, Phil Aigner, Brian R Ainley, Ainsworth, Alfred Ainsworth III, E Bud Ainsworth, Oscar R Ainsworth, PhD, S Aisenberg, PhD, David J Akers, Linda Akers, Willie Akers, Wayne Henry Akeson, MD, Thane Akins, Korkor Akoto, Akram, PhD, John Alai, Robert J Alaimo, PhD, Greg Alan, Vincent M Albanese, A Henry Albaugh, Ed Alberding, Timothy A Albers, MD, Edward Albert, Eric K Albert, PhD, Wm L Albert, James L Alberta, Mark W Albertsen, Frank Addison Albini, PhD, D Douglas Albrecht, Robert Albrecht, Rudolph C Albrecht, Fred R Albright, PhD, James C Albright, PhD, Robert Lee Albright, PhD, Tad B Albright, Marcus Albro, Allwyn Albuquerque, Ernest C Alcaraz, PhD, Garrett D Alcorn, MD, Luis Aldecoa, Frank Alder, Ronald G Alderfer, PhD, Thomas Alderson, PhD, Bill Aldrich, Franklin D Aldrich, PhD, Richard J Aldrich, PhD, Samuel Aldrich, PhD, Samuel Aldrich, PhD, David Aldridge, Robert Aldridge, Wm M Baldwin, Peter C Alecxih Sr, PhD, Russell J Alameda Jr, Perry B Alers, PhD, Steven J Alessandro, Alex F Alessandrini, Joe Alex, Danrick Alexander, Dave Alexander, Harold R Alexander, Ira Alexander, James F Alexander Jr, John C Alexander, Michael L Alexander, Nelson Alexander, Robert Alexander, Moorad Alexanian, PhD, Rex Alford, Robert Alford, Roger C Alig, PhD, R Allahyari, PhD, Dennis Allard, Joel Alldredge, Arly Allen, Belle Allen, Charles C Allen, Christopher G Allen, Clayton H Allen, PhD, David Allen, PhD, Emma G Allen, PhD, Eric R Allen, PhD, F. 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Allen, James Allen, PhD, John L Allen, Kenneth Allen, Merrill P Allen, Mike R Allen, PhD, Pampselo Allen, Randall Allen, Robert Allen, MD, Robert C Allen, Roger B Allen, PhD, Thomas H Allen, PhD, William Allen, William Allen, Robert T Van Aller, PhD, Carl Allesandro, Jonathan Alley, MD, Robt W Allgood, Ronald Alli, Craig Allison, Ronald C Allison, MD, Terry Allison, Kevin E Allisonn, John J Allport, PhD, Albert L Allred, PhD, Ivan D Allred Jr, Victor D Allred, PhD, Arthur W Allsop, Gary L Allurg, MD, R A Allwein, Frank M Almeter, PhD, Richard E Almy, Patrick Aloutto, PhD, James Aloye, Reevis S Alphin, PhD, A Frank Alsobrook, John Alsop, PhD, Sally Alston, Charles Alt, Vincent O Altemose, Timothy Altier, David Altman, PhD, Melvyn R Altman, PhD, Ronny G Altman, Tracy Altman, PhD, Peter C Altner, MD, Edward E Altshuler, PhD, Burton M Altura, PhD, Antonio Alvarez, Byron Alvey, Vern Always, Bradley A Aman, David Saint Amand, Charles D Amata, PhD, Charles Amateis, Ronald Amberger, PhD, Leo E Amborski, PhD, Maynard Amdahl, Donald F Amend, PhD, Marvin E Ament, Richard Amerling, MD, Robert C Amero, Edward J Ames III, Martin Ames, Richard Ames, MD, Michael Amick, Duane R Amlee, A S Ammar, Moris Amon, PhD, Pierre Saiut- Amond, PhD, Richard D Amori, Bonnie Amos, PhD, Dewey H Amos, PhD, J Reeves Ampsco, A Amr, PhD, Desiree Armstrong, PhD, Fred Amsler, MD, Adolph L Amundson, James Amy, Sal A Anazalone, Ernest J Andberg, G Robt D Andborn, John Anders, MD, Donald A Andersen, PhD, Gene P Andersen, Randall H Andersen, Terrell Andersen, PhD, Torben B Andersen, PhD, Wilford H Andersen, PhD, A E Anderson, Allan C Anderson, Anderson, Arthur G Anderson, PhD, Berard J Anderson, PhD, Bruce Anderson, Bruce M Anderson, C M Anderson Jr, Carol Anderson, Chris Anderson, Cristopher Anderson, David A Anderson, David Anderson, MD, David Anderson, David O. 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Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<then give you a petition that was signed by 17 THOUSAND scientists, all very real scientists in climatology from all over America, who say you are full of it and man made global warming is a scam. Kinda like Plamegate. You can even see who the 17 THOUSAND scientists are if you really cared to look Ray.>> Okay, I’m sick and tired of you using this line over and over. First, the petition was signed 8 years ago in 1998. As far as science goes, that could have been ages ago. Do you remember your CPU speed back in ’98? Second, the only a small percentage (2,660) of those scientists actually work in the field of climatology, meteorology, oceanography, geophysics, or something remotely related to the field. Further more, on 5,017 are in the fields of chemistry, biochemistry, biology, or other life sciences. So what are the fields of the remaining 10,000ish scientists? Third, about half of these “scientists†declined to state an actual education level. Does that mean Jimbo over there operating the spectrometer with only a B.S. is now a scientist? Interesting. Finally, the petition does not suggest that global warming is not real, it suggests that carbon emission do not have the same effect as that stated by the Kyoto treaty—that human release of carbon dioxide will not have the cataclysmic warming effect. It does not in any way suggest that global warming isn’t real. I’m pretty sure that your Maha Rushie probably told you about the 17,000, but here is the actual petition for your reading pleasure: <a href="http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p37.htm" target="_blank">http://www.oism.org/pproject/s 33p37.htm</a>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Instead of a feudal state with technology, as george lucas predicts in, star wars, instead, of staying with kings, or queens, or tyrants, and dictators, we could be more communal, more kabutz like, but the shared responsibilites, shouldnt be weapons detail. Instead it should be an exporation of the wonders of life. < why can't we get just one good Jedi candidate -- I would vote that party
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Sorry there is no document with 17,000 scientists saying there is no global warming. The known traitor, george bush, hasn't replaced that many scientists in the federal government yet.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<It does not in any way suggest that global warming isn’t real.>> Tigger, global warming and global cooling are real. It has been happening since the beginning of time. So why are you playing dumb all of a sudden and acting like that is the debate? The debate is that MAN MADE global warming is real. It's not. The left have been trying to push this crap for years, yes even in 1998 when this petition was first started. Here is what these scientists signed. "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth. " Now if you can get me a huge list of people on that list that all of a sudden became idiots who buy MAN MADE global warming lets see it. Also, the people who signed this are all experts in their field and are a lot more trustworthy than your anti capitalist global warming experts you want to present. Nice try hinting that Billy bob from the gas station was a signer.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Sorry, no 17,000 scientists signed that, it is false, and everyone, including you, know it.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<Tigger, global warming and global cooling are real.>> Finally I got you to admit that at least. That’s progress. <<Now if you can get me a huge list of people on that list that all of a sudden became idiots who buy MAN MADE global warming lets see it.>> Now YOU are playing dumb. Can you cite me one shred of evidence where I’ve contended that global warming is “man made� No, you can’t, because I don’t believe that. I do believe that the subject merits much more research though and in the meantime, we play it safe. <<Now if you can get me a huge list of people on that list that all of a sudden became idiots who buy MAN MADE global warming lets see it.>> Again, as I’ve explained numerous times, I’m not an advocate for or against. But I’m not going to stand by and let you spew falsehoods. <<Also, the people who signed this are all experts in their field and are a lot more trustworthy than your anti capitalist global warming experts you want to present.>> Incorrect, Beau. From the petition page itself: “Signers of this petition so far include 2,660 physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists (select this link for a listing of these individuals) who are especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide on the Earth's atmosphere and climate. Signers of this petition also include 5,017 scientists whose fields of specialization in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, and other life sciences (select this link for a listing of these individuals) make them especially well qualified to evaluate the effects of carbon dioxide upon the Earth's plant and animal life.†<a href="http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm" target="_blank">http://www.oism.org/pproject/s 33p357.htm</a> Only 2,660 could be considered “experts†in the climatological change or atmospheric sciences. Another 5,017 have true scientific credentials that lend themselves to understanding how carbon dioxide affects the atmosphere. So, answer me this simple question: What are the other 10,000 or so Beau if they aren’t physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, meteorologists, oceanographers, and environmental scientists, chemists, biochemists (one of my degrees), biologists, or other life scientists? Have fun!
Originally Posted By tiggertoo BTW, there are approximately 600,000 natural scientists in America according to the U.S. Census Bureau. 17,000 is less than 3% of the total scientific minds in America. Have fun with that too.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd I'm afraid there are no 17,000 scientists who signed a petition, only people who hate you would try to lie and say something like that, only your enemy would lie like that.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Do you agree that resources are running out everywhere on the planet, and people keep having babies, and multiplying, babies that need to eat? They all want suv's to drive too, don't they? Suv's burn 10,000 times as much oxygen in an hour, than a human needs, and burns in an hour. We give off carbon dioxide, cars give off many other poisonous compounds. Are these figures sound, or is it less, or do you agree? People, only have barely enough time to care about themselves and what they can do to get some peace of mind. "You will want to own a hummer monstrosity, of 8 tons of meaningless metal, and place it in your driveway." I honestly find every time i turn on tv, my mind is barraged with these attacks, by things i know are not true in the least. I'm just curious as to your acurate findings on global warming, and pollution, and the increse of cancer in the united states. if you don't want to look up anything fine. I mean i understand you don't believe humans are responsible, instead cars and suvs, and factories, run by humans, cause global warming.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd The opposite arguement goes for guns. People, don't kill people, guns kill people.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I wanted to log on to appoligize to jonvn for highjacking this thread. Much to my surprise it looks like we have hit just about every topic out there. As far as I can see the only one we missed in this thread is gay marriage.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Tigger, the thing you don't present is a list of scientists that think man made global warming is real. Lets see who the other side has compared to who I present. Also, that list has more than 17000 people by now and everyone who signed it are credible experts. The people pushing man made global warming are mainly a bunch of enviro kooks who have no clue what Co2 even does or how it works. We have people who actually think CO2 is a bad thing for the enviroment so it has to be stopped! That alone is plain stupid, yet the man made global warming nuts push this very thing!! Bottom line. There is no consensus as jon tried to tell us about 20 times. That is a flat out lie. What there is however is confusion.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Gay marriage is never going to happen. >> Sure it is. All the Conservative Intellectuals I know are married gays. ;-)
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom We did it! We did it! We hit every hot nerve topic on WE in this thread. What an accomplishement!
Originally Posted By jonvn "Do you remember your CPU speed back in ’98? Second, the only a small percentage (2,660) of those scientists actually work in the field of climatology, meteorology, oceanography, geophysics, or something remotely related to the field. Further more, on 5,017 are in the fields of chemistry, biochemistry, biology, or other life sciences. So what are the fields of the remaining 10,000ish scientists? Third, about half of these “scientists†declined to state an actual education level. Does that mean Jimbo over there operating the spectrometer with only a B.S. is now a scientist? Interesting. Finally, the petition does not suggest that global warming is not real, it suggests that carbon emission do not have the same effect as that stated by the Kyoto treaty—that human release of carbon dioxide will not have the cataclysmic warming effect. It does not in any way suggest that global warming isn’t real." You do realize he is unable to understand what you've said to him, don't you? "I wanted to log on to appoligize to jonvn for highjacking this thread." Everyone has hijacked this thread. In any case, Beau continues to show an inability to discuss rationally, and now has added to his ouevre, along with the 17,000 vapor scientists, that I defend Ed. I'm sure Ed will be amused at that. "We hit every hot nerve topic on WE in this thread. What an accomplishement!" No mention of terrorists. Mention terrorsits, and Mel Gibson. And illegal aliens.
