Originally Posted By ecdc Well, I tried to post a group of people I thought were reasonable in hopes of having a discussion. But I guess it's easier to have people rant and rave about the wackos out there and pretend like they're the mainstream to justify their outrage.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd It's not liberal or conservative ideas being censored, blocked and denied. The ideas being blocked are responsibility, honesty, and truth. The ideas are slanted propagandistically to keep the known traitor, george bush, out of jail. The fact that the supreme court can not rule on florida's electorates, was ignored, and was kept out of the news The way the american people were not allowed to follow their legal system is treason, and prosecutable, and is being prosecuted. Fox stiffled. the american constitution. First they announced bush hadn't lost the electorate, after he had lost the electorate. This placed lie is enough to put everyone, who ever had anything to do with the fox news network, in jail.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Ed, why is Bush a traitor again? I wonder why the terrorists only use words from the democrats as their talking points and not Bush if he is a traitor? Kerry was a traitor.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd I think anyone who is intelligent always comes up with the conservative answer. Whether the conservative answer is presented by pundits as liberal, or conservative, depends on if the answer benifits the commentator in some way, or not.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Kerry is obviously part of the cabal, and well paid. His role, and he likes it, is to show reasoned passion, to plead for the president to think about the army, while coming up with the worst slogans i've ever heard a democrat come up with. Oh wait, his pal liberman, he also went out of his way to lose the election for gore. And gore is trying to win me as the son of a tobacco farmer, who has seen the light because of cancer in a personal kin. Though he admits it grated his nerves having to deal with government laws on cancer. I don't trust him, or kerry and his heinz catsup. Reagan even said catsup was a vegetable, and heinz is one if not the biggest packager of ketsup, which is bad for you, and is great at shelf life, but filled with chemicals, but all the actual nutrients have been removed. I think kerry did his job to diffuse support for the democratic candidate.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The left can't get an audience because THEY are the ones who can't back up anything in the end.>> No, they can't get an audience because liberals are not dumb enough to be taken in by such crap. Unfortunately conservatives can, which explains the great success of so many vacuous windbags parroting the exact same line of right wing garbage.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^ so now ALL liberals are intelligent -- geez trippy, maybe that most drunken city thing really is on the mark ;-0
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I would say Rush is a conservative intellectual of the highest order. I would also say Newt Gingrich, Michael Medved, Michael Reagan, and Dennis Prager are also conservative intellectuals. I would put any of these guys up against ANY liberal you can find in a debate. If you had the debate in front of a bunch of moderates the conservatives would win them over every single time with their logic, viewpoints, and solid common sense arguments. Who is a liberal intellectual the left can brag about? Franken? Michael Moore? Richard Dryfus? Randi Rhodes?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<No, they can't get an audience because liberals are not dumb enough to be taken in by such crap.>> Sure RT... the liberals jsut think America caused 9-11 to happen and the war was for oil. Yep, these are really smart people.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF ^^^ And that's why Fox News is killing Grey's Anatomy in the ratings.
Originally Posted By jonvn "When I call people like you jon " losers"" You make an ass out of yourself, and lose the argument, and point out precisely what I was talking about.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Who is a liberal intellectual the left can brag about? Franken? Michael Moore? Richard Dryfus? Randi Rhodes?>> Aristotle Socrates Henry David Thoreau Alexis de Tocqueville John Locke Jean Jacques Rousseau John Stuart Mill Yeah they are probably not up there with Rush. But they ain't bad.
Originally Posted By jonvn "So now ALL liberals are intelligent" I happen to think that people who are on the extreme left wing are so brain dead that it defies description. As I said, extremes on either end are nuts, but we seem to have a dearth of thinking people on the right wing here. Maybe I'll become one just to make it interesting.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<^^^^^^^^^ so now ALL liberals are intelligent -- geez trippy, maybe that most drunken city thing really is on the mark ;-0>> As you know vbdad... there comes a point where you fight fire with fire... ridiculousness with ridiculousness. I realized this when I came to the realization that Ed is the ONLY person here who really goes one on one with Beau using Beau's tactics.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 If it were possible to communicate with their spirits, I think Aristotle (liberal ?) - Plato ( conservative ? ) would be aghast at someone trying to label them as either...to try and prove any point in today's political climate what next ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < I realized this when I came to the realization that Ed is the ONLY person here who really goes one on one with Beau using Beau's tactics. < and this is a good thing ? that was my point.... I know you don't think that way, but throwing lighter fluid in the Weber doesn't further the thought process..
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<and this is a good thing ? that was my point....>> Actually, I think it MAY be a good thing. Looking at extremism on the left can point out how ridiculous extremism on the right is. I hope that once we come to realize that the great majority of us agree with NEITHER Beau nor Ed, we can actually have some good discussions. I do give Ed kudos for having the guts to say what many of us think in our more pessimistic moments but would never say in public.
Originally Posted By jonvn "and this is a good thing ?" No, it's not a good thing, which is why I rarely read past the first line or two of either person's posts. It seems people want to come here and engage in diatribe. I think it's far more interesting to exchange ideas. So, with people such as yourself, it works a lot better, in that what you say challenges others to examine their feelings and search out exactly why one feels the way they do, given a valid opposing viewpoint. This is as opposed to those who just say "THOSE FILTHY LIBERALS!" for every single thing, and then parrot something they heard on the radio, or read in a column that they quote here verbatim without a stitch of their own thought involved. That's the difference. I will say this about ED: At least with him, you get his thoughts on things. You don't get a monkey see monkey do repetition of what someone told him to think. He may not be all there, but what is there is actually him.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Unless he is really channeling Gerry 'moonbeam' Brown....then yes I agree his thoughts are original for the most part....the last politician I can think of from that far 'out there' by the end of his terms...
