Originally Posted By jonvn Isn't he running for something this year? God, he was the single worst governor we've had in my lifetime. He's been a terrible mayor of Oakland, too.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>I will say this about ED: At least with him, you get his thoughts on things. You don't get a monkey see monkey do repetition of what someone told him to think. He may not be all there, but what is there is actually him.<< Well said. I used to listen to Limbaugh (until his drug addiction confession...during his time off, I realized that his ideology isn't in my best interests as a person who needs his job...in other words, a working person) and can tell you that Beau's attitude and way of talking is nearly word-for-word Rush. I will give on thing to Beau, though. Prager is an actual intellectual. The other right-wing radio bloviators aren't.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 btw- can't let it go by -- Dennis Miller accepted as an intellectual conervative --- one of the most outspoken conservatives in Hollywood..the Anti Al Franken if you will....so I am surprised by his inclusion. Now I do believe you have to be very smart to be that quick witted... one of my favorite Dennis Miller quotes: The United States right now is simultaneously the world's most loved, hated, feared and admired nation, he said. "In short," he said, "we're Frank Sinatra."
Originally Posted By jonvn "Beau's attitude and way of talking is nearly word-for-word Rush." Obviously, he's getting this nonsense from somewhere. I actually like Dennis Miller. He can be hysterically funny.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I get my " stuff " from the same place you people get your " stuff ". From reading, watching, listening and then formulating opinions. So I am extreme huh?? I don't think so. Tell me one view of mine that is extreme?
Originally Posted By jonvn "I get my " stuff " from the same place you people get your " stuff "." Probably not, as I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I never said you did listen to Rush Jon. I said we all read, watch, listen and then formulate opinions on the information we recieve. The left will buy any conspiracy theory they hear as long as it is against Bush or America. These people do not think. In fact they are insane with hatred for the president. It is so bas with these people what they celebrate any and all bad news they can find and give talking points to the terrorists. Those are your left wing intellectuals. These people can never win elections of importance because they are so deranged.
Originally Posted By jonvn "The left will buy any conspiracy theory they hear as long as it is against Bush or America." Right. So, anyway, I think there goes the answer to my question.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <The left will buy any conspiracy theory they hear as long as it is against Bush or America. These people do not think.> Not true. The President DOES have chronic gingivitus, and the terrorists have won.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Thanks for the kind words, everyone. I do like it here. We get to say exactly what we are thinking. Of course you are not rude people, you are thinking people. We are not censoring our rudeness, like some people do in poster areas. Rudeness doesn't even come up in my mind when i write. I love the communication. I love the fact everyone here is sincere also, and obivously, we are able to express our thoughts in words. I also like the intelligent discussions that get going. Several levels of interaction. As for being extreme... I'm learning to accept republicans, and that possibly not all republicans are traitors. I've learned that republicans are emotional sick, and not just dumb, like i used to think. No they need love and attention from us. Twenty four hour care if possible. We, the wiser intelligent ones, we shouldn't use these gifts of thought to slaughter these sheep, who pretend to be wolfs. Take it easy on the republicans, they are supposed to be americans too.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <None of the so-called conservatives here can come up with any sort of reasoned argument.> I think that's a bit harsh, jon. There are some here. Granted they haven't posted much here in the immediate past with the exception of vbdad. For all the bickering we do, DouglasDubh is also capable of a good argument, when he isn't doing the "no it isn't" thing. Some aren't so capable, so I can understand the attitude of "why bother?"
Originally Posted By Dabob2 (RT): "No, they can't get an audience because liberals are not dumb enough to be taken in by such crap. Unfortunately conservatives can, which explains the great success of so many vacuous windbags parroting the exact same line of right wing garbage." (vbdad): "so now ALL liberals are intelligent -- geez trippy, maybe that most drunken city thing really is on the mark ;-0" Actually, I think trippy has a bit of a point. It's not so much dumb vs. smart as a basic way of looking at things... There's something very liberal (in the classic sense) about the attitude of "give the devil his due" or "I disagree with what you say but defend your right to say it" or even the somewhat squishier "all viewpoints are valid." Thus, when liberals hear some blowhard who doesn't consider any viewpoint other than his own to be valid (Mike Malloy comes to mind), they immediately turn off. Many (certainly not all) conservatives have no problem, though, with the attitude of "I'm right, the other guys are wrong, period," and right-wing talk radio thrives on this. And some here are proof positive that a lot of people lap it up. But when left-wing radio tries it, they can't find a lot of liberals who will buy into it. That's arguably both a strength (in the larger sense) and a weakness (in an electoral/fire up the base/"that's why you guys lose elections" sense) of modern liberalism.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<None of the so-called conservatives here can come up with any sort of reasoned argument.> I think that's a bit harsh, jon. There are some here. Granted they haven't posted much here in the immediate past with the exception of vbdad. > and although I admit I tilt to the right on some issues I still consider myself a moderate not a conservative if I had to check a box.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 In my little mental box I put you as "center-right" - but maybe we shouldn't try to put each other in little boxes.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd But you stiffle curiosity. Intellectuals do not stiffle curiosity, or creativity, unless their is some perceived danger they need to take care of. Republicans manufacture enemies so they have something to do, cause they are incurious as to themselves and their own spirituality. Their religions and religious practices are as bureacratic as their lives.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <In my little mental box I put you as "center-right" - but maybe we shouldn't try to put each other in little boxes.< I agree - that is why I like moderate..as there are some items I guarantee the conservatives here would call me left of center on also.... I like to take each item as a separate entity, and examine for myself regardless of Dem or GOP platform...or mainstream.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Granted they haven't posted much here in the immediate past with the exception of vbdad." He's more of a moderate. I actually usally agree with him on things. Maybe it was a bit harsh, but not all that much. The problem is that the very right wing is getting harder and harder to defend these days, and so it's being abandoned by all but the ideologues, who don't have as much of an idea as they do a set of simplistic sound bites.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I do agree we have not heard much from some conservative posters in a while..
