Originally Posted By Labuda "I understand that. Most of my park time at WDW is now spent at DAK and Epcot (still my fave, despite Emmer, Kalogridis, Holz and Rex's best efforts to destroy the place to increase their own careers). The MK can often just be so depresssing and Disney-MGM always left me cold, the BAH was just the final straw." Yet another reason I adore you, '74. I love love LOVE Epcot & DAK, and have plenty of time planned at both this coming trip. D-MGM I've got slotted for about 2 hours (Tot, RnRC becuase Eric will want to ride it, and then Muppets or GMR), and the MK I'll visit for the Halloween party and then maybe 6 hours outside of that. DAK & Epcot are where the Magic is for me nowadays.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well I simply disagree with the whole no Magic at Disney angle. My kids are my meter by which I gage. I WILL agree with ONE thing. That tower add on at the Contemporary will totally max out the Monorail. That is just rediculous. Honestly, I don't believe for a minute that that tower will EVER be built.
Originally Posted By idleBrain <<Honestly, I don't believe for a minute that that tower will EVER be built.>> Funny... people were saying basically the same thing last year about Disney buying Pixar. 8^D
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Honestly, I don't believe for a minute that that tower will EVER be built.< If the open date is 2008 - that money has alread been allotted...
Originally Posted By ChiMike VBDad, I think the possibility is strong, but also keep in mind that it was only one proposal of a few. There are too many people saying this is the next one to happen and the North Garden wing is as dead as disco, but I wouldn't be 100% sure that will be the design and firm choosen. On the other hand if I had to bet, that probably would be the safe bet.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Yet another reason I adore you, '74. >> You adore me so much yet you never call :-( ... We should talk soon! <<I love love LOVE Epcot & DAK, and have plenty of time planned at both this coming trip. D-MGM I've got slotted for about 2 hours (Tot, RnRC becuase Eric will want to ride it, and then Muppets or GMR), and the MK I'll visit for the Halloween party and then maybe 6 hours outside of that. DAK & Epcot are where the Magic is for me nowadays.>> I just feel that Epcot had such a great, amazing foundation to begin with that the many idiots who have run the park haven't been able to destroy the basic wonder of the place. Things are even slowly improving with Soarin, the Nemo seacabs coming as well as an updated Illuminations and (possibly/likely) updates to SSE and Imagination, Canada and Mexico. DAK, while not built to the complete master plan without BK, is also an amazing park in scope and execution. Joe Rohde is also such a strong, dynamic personality that won't allow the park to be ruined by clueless MBAs, execs and consultants.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Funny... people were saying basically the same thing last year about Disney buying Pixar.>> Yeah ... and wouldn't you know it, they're the same ones trying to spin Cars $300 million plus and climbing worldwide BO as a 'disappointment' ... and we haven't even talked about consumer products, which are flying off the shelf, DVDs (which will be huge) and future use of characters. This is a billion-dollar franchise. Oh, but we were talking about DVC ... sorry.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<VBDad, I think the possibility is strong, but also keep in mind that it was only one proposal of a few. There are too many people saying this is the next one to happen and the North Garden wing is as dead as disco, but I wouldn't be 100% sure that will be the design and firm choosen. On the other hand if I had to bet, that probably would be the safe bet.>> While design elements could change. They would likely be minor. And the fact they had this on their site tells me the contracts have all been signed, sealed and delivered. This is a top-notch design house. I've seen some of their work on the Beverly Hilton. They would never put a project out there that wasn't happening. They probably didn't realize that some 'insignificant poster' on an 'insignificant Disney fan site' would stumble onto it, link it up and send it out to potentially millions of people when Disney still hasn't acknowledged anything. BTW, if anyone gets a room in that North Garden Wing, I'd refuse it or demand it at half price off whatever rate they're paying because they're getting a vastly inferior product that Disney is letting fall apart because there's zero incentive to worry about anything with it closing so soon.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I never thought I would see the day! Its going to be the Walt Disney IKEA World DVC Resort & Shopping Experience! Yes there is a heaven!
Originally Posted By dixielandings News Flash TDLFan last seen running through River Country from Mouse Police with the bluprints of a new DVC Resort
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Honestly, I don't believe for a minute that that tower will EVER be built.>> I doubt it too. This is undoubtedly just one of several design firms bidding on the project. Even if this firm is chosen there will likely be modifications to the final plan. The design looks like it would have about 900 units; 60 units per floor with 15 floors. Do you really think DVC could sell another 900 units after just selling 900 at SS (assuming they actually open and sell Phase III)? By the way... the drawing has been removed from The DIS too. WDW's lawyers were BUSY yesterday!
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Do you really think DVC could sell another 900 units after just selling 900 at SS (assuming they actually open and sell Phase III)? >>> I'm not a DVC person, so what do I know, but I would think that being on the monorail system would be a very compelling selling feature.
Originally Posted By dixielandings I think this will bring a whole new bread of DVC buyers the reason I didn't buy in 1992 when first offered was I couldn't buy on the loop If I'm to pay big money I want the castle out my window Im in now
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<Honestly, I don't believe for a minute that that tower will EVER be built.>> I doubt it too. This is undoubtedly just one of several design firms bidding on the project. Even if this firm is chosen there will likely be modifications to the final plan. < knowing construction cycles from working on the school board for our 3rd high school -- if the date of 2008 is even remotely correct... then this is more than a flier from one construction firm. It takes 18 months to build a 3 story high school -- and the level of detail that was here ( short really only showing the outside building materials ) - -I am willing to bet this contract has been awarded... The fact that Disney had all of this yeanked off quickly before they have a chance to announce tells me the announcement is due very shortly. And do I hink they could sell 900 DVC units at that location - absolutely yes. I could also see current owners adding points at that location - walking distance to the MK... -- there are 80,000 + families now members - Now I could see this hurting sales of SS phase III though for sure...
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I doubt it too. This is undoubtedly just one of several design firms bidding on the project.<< I agree with your last sentance. Like I said, I don't think it is 100%. Probably a good bet, but not 100%. These firms sometimes exhibit proposed designs that never won the bid. In this case though with Disney as a party, Spirit is more than likely right and this design was choosen. Nothing is 100% though and there were alternatives. >>Even if this firm is chosen there will likely be modifications to the final plan.<< Unlikely, if the firm wins the bid there has to be serious stipulations or unforseen site problems to alter the overall design significantly. It just costs too much. >>Do you really think DVC could sell another 900 units after just selling 900 at SS (assuming they actually open and sell Phase III)?<< For this location. Certainly. The thing that makes this leak interesting was that they knew about Contemp like the fanboy community has for years. They didn't want the Contemp project to undercut SS sales. Sales is often asked in the SS pitch, "what is the next DVC after SS?". They are asked this because most prospects already have the mindset that they will be buying into SS with the intention of staying at other DVC units for less points. To stay at a Monorail DVC for even more points would be huge compared to SS for many of Disney's guests. (My guess) So, it certainly could effect phase III, but I don't think they'll have any problems selling Contemp. And Disney knows it. >>By the way... the drawing has been removed from The DIS too. WDW's lawyers were BUSY yesterday!<< I'm sure. Just wait until Lance posts it on Screamscape or the pictures float onto Google. The cats already out of the bag.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I'm not a DVC person, so what do I know, but I would think that being on the monorail system would be a very compelling selling feature. << >>I think this will bring a whole new bread of DVC buyers the reason I didn't buy in 1992 when first offered was I couldn't buy on the loop If I'm to pay big money I want the castle out my window Im in now<< I think you both hit the nail on the head. A good number of people who care where they stay or are used to staying at one of the Monorail resorts year after year are going to be plenty interested in this. That's why it's size makes so much more sense then a retrofit of the garden wing.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 yep - the retro fit nevermade any sense- the scale of the additon was just too small
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>if the date of 2008 is even remotely correct... then this is more than a flier from one construction firm. It takes 18 months to build a 3 story high school -- and the level of detail that was here ( short really only showing the outside building materials ) - -I am willing to bet this contract has been awarded...<< And VBDad I completely agree with your entire post. Looking at the webpage I cached the 2008 didn't come across as anything more than a projection. That might not take into affect the additional work needed on the grounds and interior. But 2008 sounds like the perfect time for DVC to start selling a new property. It would be a good way to make the remaining SS points look like a bargin.
