Originally Posted By vbdad55 without pulling out my contracts, is it not 3% or 5% per year increase ? at that rate it won't rise very quickly in a short period of time..
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Fees have a % cap so it's not carte blanche<< yes. Good point. >> - but I worry about the same time period<< I think any good thinking person would. Which makes this issue circular. With capped fees, how in the world are big ticket items going to be dealt with in 2029?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Not a good answer but I will be 74 then, and hopefully that will be the biggest of my issues - ;-) Ok - now a more serious answer - I do believe that it could be an issue and have stated that as my only concern from the first discussion I enetered here on DVC when it was routinely bashed, muhc more than now. But, one that could be addressed if they hold off some on the extension of the 2042 agreements to say 2062 or so, depending on how the buildings hold up. That would bring the infusion of cash needed for any more major work that would need to be done. That way my kids with grandkids could have use of the facilities.
Originally Posted By ChiMike I just don't see those buildings as being around in 2042 let alone in 2062. Contemporary was built in 1970 and was cutting edge in design and taste. For how many years now have the look and feel been poo-poo'd? Now quality wise the building was built solid. I would say that the Boardwalk Villas and BCVs won't hold up as well. So the idea of contract extensions is one I can't reconcile myself with. Maybe they will offer to move members to new contracts at new facilities in 2042, but I can't see Boardwalk or something like Pop Century lasting that long.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<Boardwalk or something like Pop Century lasting that long.>>> Do you think Boardwalk and Pop Cent are of the same quality or lack of quality construction? You know they are probably the exact same. I mean who is the building inspector down there? Isn't it a quasi-government run by Disney anyway? I am speaking of Lake Buena Vista... How does all THAT work? How on EARTH do you keep questionable if not unethical practices out of a situation where the left hand is watching over the right? It's one HUGE ball of wax to ponder. Anyone been to Dubai?
Originally Posted By ChiMike I wouldn't be anywhere that extreme. And I think Boardwalk is made of a better quality. Both are not going to see 2042 IMO.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I just don't see those buildings as being around in 2042 let alone in 2062. < looking at the construction materials use din OKW I can see it easily being around in 2042 and beyond
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Check out the long green fence in picture #20. It separates the parking lot from not only the Contemporary Northern Garden Wing, but also the tennis courts. The tennis courts are off limits for use now? Aren't the tennis courts included in te footing where the new ContempDVC hotel is supposed to go?
Originally Posted By ChiMike Who knows. Maybe they aren't ready to work near the Tennis Courts and are more focused on raizing the North Wing. Maybe the walls are for demo only and we'll see expanded and/or new walls as things progress.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 The Tennis Center has been closed for a while ... the whole area is in the footprint for the new DVC Tower. It's amazing to me how Disney-whipped the local fishwrapper is that the Sentinel's tourism writers can't even report on things like this without the OK from WDW's press office.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well I will say this...once this thing is completed OR ready to begin selling, if the rooms are larger than the 2 most recent DVC's, I will offload my current inventory and load up on Contempo!!! I'm serious.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> It's amazing to me how Disney-whipped the local fishwrapper is that the Sentinel's tourism writers can't even report on things like this without the OK from WDW's press office.<< What do you mean by this? Are you making a general statement about the Sentinel at large, or are you talking in this case about a specific news item? What news item?
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Well I will say this...once this thing is completed OR ready to begin selling, if the rooms are larger than the 2 most recent DVC's, I will offload my current inventory and load up on Contempo!!!<< I think a lot of people will. The Home Resort means so much more now since SS was built. Which is unfotuante because I know for us, we have never booked farther than 7 months out before.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<What do you mean by this? Are you making a general statement about the Sentinel at large, or are you talking in this case about a specific news item? What news item?>> I am speaking of the fact that the Sentinel only seems to write about what Disney is up to when it is announced/sanctioned by the Mouse. If I were a tourism beat writer for the paper and Disney was announcing DVC for AKL, sure I'd write about it. But at the same time when Disney was closing off the North Garden Wing and Tennis Center, while the rest of the resort was undergoing a multi-million high-end total renovation ... while the Internet and CMs were buzzing about DVC being placed at the site ... with actual renderings by the architecture firm hired to do the work wound up on the web and then were quickly removed after Disney Legal intervined ... well, I'd be writing about THAT. Sure, I'd stick in an obligatory, 'We have no announcement regarding the Contemporary Resort at this time' from a Disney PR hack. Then I'd add insders comments, CMs, maybe timeshare experts and I'd print it. And Disney officials wouldn't like it. While on the subject, I'd also look into some of the serious safety concerns that monorail CMs have been bringing to the attention of management only to be ignored and threatened with dismissal. I might publish some of the photos that show the neglect Disney is showing and the results of said neglect. That's just a start ...
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>While on the subject, I'd also look into some of the serious safety concerns that monorail CMs have been bringing to the attention of management only to be ignored and threatened with dismissal. I might publish some of the photos that show the neglect Disney is showing and the results of said neglect.<< Why does it not suprise me that a fleet that SHOULD have another 5-6 years left are quickly headed in the direction DL's Mark Vs took. WDW can't use the shuttle-mode excuse.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well then again, if a few Boardwalk DVC'ers sell and guy Contempo, I might get some steals on a few hundred points for Boardwalk.
Originally Posted By ChiMike If you can't get steals now with the flux of resales to hit b/c of the transfer rule, I don't know when you would. Sure by the time Contemp starts selling the price will be lower, but they'll probably be 3 or 4 years less on the contract too. If I were interested in buying a resale I would be serious about some of the listings out there. Of course you would have to be picky with price and hope against ROFR. We'll see how agressive Disney will be in the next few months. Who knows, they might feel pretty confident that they have plenty of members who are looking for addons. Actually, they probably do.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well I have added twice! I own at Boardwalk, Beach Club, and Saratoga. I hate Beach Club. Sorry but I do. And the kicker is we usually stay to Old Key West due to room size and ease of getting all of out kids into the Suburban.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Why does it not suprise me that a fleet that SHOULD have another 5-6 years left are quickly headed in the direction DL's Mark Vs took.>> Because you're a smart dude, Mike! <<WDW can't use the shuttle-mode excuse.>> No. It will likely take a serious accident involving guests (CMs are expendable) before WDW execs realize you simply can't ignore safety issues because there's a cost to fixing them.
