Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<They are not facts at all. You get confused easy RT. I think you must be messing with me becaue NOBODY can possible compare Carter to REagan without either joking or being totally clueless. It would be like comparing Michael Jordan to some bench warmer who averaged 2.3 points a game. >> I presented FACTS. In return you presented nothing but your standard Republicans are great Democrats suck OPINION. I didn't say Carter was a great President. I didn't say Reagan was a poor one. I said that unemployment under Reagan was higher than it has ever been in the last 50 years. That is a FACT. You perhaps have also forgotten that on October 19, 1987 (Black Monday) the Dow Jones dropped 22.6% in ONE DAY... the second greatest one day decline in the history of the stock market. That is a FACT. So whatever the relative merits of Reagan and Carter, the economy was CRAP under Reagan. Now if you can come up with some facts that say otherwise I would be glad to look at them. But if all you can do is spout your usual anti-lib tripe don't bother. You will once again be irrelevant.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 The problem is ( and yes I am still miffed an hour later by the amateur psychoanalysis ) - that Beau, you cannot accept the fact that someone who is intelligent / motivated / experienced / educated can have a differing opinion or viewpoint than you. It must be a very small world you move in.... To judge someone as negative or not motivated based on their opinion on one item ( like the economy) - os so short sighted and bigoted it is mindblowing..
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You perhaps have also forgotten that on October 19, 1987 (Black Monday) the Dow Jones dropped 22.6% in ONE DAY... the second greatest one day decline in the history of the stock market. That is a FACT.> It's also a fact that it rapidly recovered. <So whatever the relative merits of Reagan and Carter, the economy was CRAP under Reagan.> No, unemployment was slightly higher. In all other measurements, the economy greatly improved under President Reagan compared to what it was under President Carter.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Trippy -- getting a little bit o Beau in you lately -- Prime interest rates under Carter - taking office and each subsequent January: 6.25% 8.00% 11.75% 15.25% 20.50% Tell me how this ecomony was crap...did you live better with 20% interest rates ? I know I didn't and had to wait to buy a home.... Under Reagan - taking office and leaving inherited 20.50% then each subsequent January 16.50% 11.00% 11.00% 10.50% 9.50% 7.505 8.75% so if your telling me there is even a slight comparison here I have to disagree. <a href="http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/prime.asp" target="_blank">http://mortgage-x.com/general/ indexes/prime.asp</a>
Originally Posted By jonvn Carter really was absolutely terrible. His failure to do nip Iran in the bud when they first started acting up, his abandonment of our military, his refusal to do anything at all about anything has led us to most of our problems today. Bush is a different sort of disaster. He does take action, but it is the wrong action, and he has no interest in anyone other than the wealthiest of people in this country. So when he does do something, it benefits them to the detriment of nearly everyone else. Two sides of the same disaster coin.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Reagan was a mixed bag. The United States suffered a severe recession in 1982. The unemployment rate (as I've mentioned) was higher than at any other time during the past 50 years. Did Reagan leave the economy better than he found it? Absolutely. But there were some darned tough economic times during the Reagan years too. That is what I want to convince Beau of. It is not always black and white... there is good mixed with the bad.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<but my spouse is nearing 30 years with his Fortune 500 company, and is strongly considering taking the pension as a lump sum rather than counting on the pension to be there in the future.<> <take it now but first go to a financial planner nad have it set up as an annuity...> That's exactly what he's planning on doing, vbdad, for the very reasons you went into later in that post. Thanks for the confirmation. You are on fire on this topic (as well as understandably hot under the collar).
Originally Posted By vbdad55 thank you much....that is the safest thing to do at the time... and yeah, you know all dat der book learnin' I got from all those lib professors is paying off.....LOL ! Sometimes my head hurts when I read some of the posts....I used to really believe fringe behavioral thinking I saw on TV and heard on the radio was all 'staged' for dramatics and that it wasn't real - you know like the pople on Springer I figured were just actors -- I now know differently.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <You are on fire on this topic (as well as understandably hot under the collar). < yeah I am still waiting for a response on how I couldbe portrayed as negative and not motivated after the brief profile...I am sure the facts will just be ignored, but looking forward to it. to steal a phrase -- who's in that proverbial woodshed now ?
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF ^^^ I wouldn't hold my breath... (BTW, how do you like that Harmony Kingdom Nautilus? I saw that you were in the same auction as I. ;-))
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Yes ! It is really nice -- especially considering the $9.99 price-- how does one pass that up..I almost bought it when it first came out. the coloring kind of reminds me of the Opera Diva Haunted Mansion piece.. and with the Kraken now roaming the seas in the potc2 - seemed like a good buy -- I assume you got one too ?
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Nope...I just got the Nautilus. I've had a soft spot for 20K Leagues since I was a boy. It was one of those movies us kids watched on the Wonderful World of Disney every time it aired. I also have this beautiful 20K waterglobe; there is a porthole you can look through and see the squid. What was the original price on that Nautilus box? I didn't notice... (Sorry for hijacking the topic...)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < I also have this beautiful 20K waterglobe; there is a porthole you can look through and see the squid. < have the same one -- I also liked the movie since I was young -- You know I tossed the box up inthe attic with alll my other collectible boxes but if I remember right it was either $49.99 or $59.99
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Also as a 20K fan you must share the feeling I have at MK in WDW where we got a crapola playground as a replacement for the 20K ride...( which I miss - cheesy effects and all )
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Sadly, I never got to ride the subs. When I was growing up, riding the sub was the main reason why I wanted to go to the Disney parks, based on that brief scene in the opening credits of WWoD.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy vbdad, I don't think you are lazy, stupid, or any other negative word. I do think you have a certain attitude about the economy and the job market that can only be described as negative. When I point out things I see as good, you say they are bad. Fine. My point was that if I was hiring someone for a job in sales or another position, the attitude of the person means more to me than anything else. Even their college or other life experience.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^ off the backpeddling -- here are your exact words from your post .so as far telling me you used no negative words - explain this-- do you see THAT EXACT word in your writings ? "But I would not hire you if you came into my office looking for a sales position. ( I know, you don't do sales ) The reason is that you are to negative and defeatist. You see the glass as half empty. I want a person that sees oportunity not obstacles and pitfalls." now after explaining my background either tell me you were wrong or continue to change your story...that is what ticked me off - the word negative and the fact I see obstacles where opportunities should be. Well look at the obstacles I have overcome and tell me that again ! I am not letting you off the hook on this one - there are your words - explain them again. You don't like the fact that I do not fit the 'lib' profile yet I disagree with you about the economy. That doesn't make me right or wrong but it is a valid opinion - and coming from a 30 year voting GOP - who has more experience with the economy than you do. Does it make me right and you wrong - maybe not- but it makes my points at least as valid as yours. This is not Rush's call in show now... this is the real world and you need to realize not every GOP voter sees the economy as you do....and if it continues down the path it is going today, that will be very clear in 2 years. There is plenty of time for the admin to address it, but it appears they also believe the Rush's and Coulter's of the world -- they are losing touch with a huge block of their voting base- whether you choose to see that or not.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy vbdad, are you or are you not very negative about the economy, the job market, pension plans, the future? You have views that are very negative and I am not going to back away from that. Based on those views, I think they would hurt you in the workplace because it points to other patterns of negative views. I will take Rush's optimistic view anyday over a doom and gloomer on the economy and what opportunity exists today in America.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<vbdad, are you or are you not very negative about the economy, the job market, pension plans, the future?>> Vbdad is realistic about the economy. How can you possible improve things if you don't make a realistic assessment of where things are at now? He is most definitely not a negative person. NOTHING can ever satisfy a negative person. Vbdad just recognizes where there are problems and tries to fix them. It's like his opinions on WDW. He hates the Pooh Park, but that does not mean he hates WDW. Not everything is as black and white as you like to make it. Would I hire a person who was ALWAYS negative?? No. Would I here a person who by temperament or political persuasion was so blinded to reality that they walked around with blinders on, refusing to see anything they did not like? No.
