Originally Posted By RoadTrip << The Time Tunnel was a park of Ford's Magic Skyway attraction >> Should be "The Time Tunnel was a PART of Ford's Magic Skyway attraction"
Originally Posted By ChiMike Some things don't change. I continue to receive lectures based on Internet searches and the regurgitation of information, rather than first-hand experience and a refined perspective. Using your own reference method, see: <a href="http://www.nywf64.com/genele06.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.nywf64.com/genele06 .shtml</a> Scroll 2/3rds down.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I continue to receive lectures based on Internet searches and the regurgitation of information, rather than first-hand experience and a refined perspective.>> I was at the World Fair in 1964. Were you? Clearly, the Ford time Tunnel was more memorable to me than the GE Time Tunnel. At Ford it was the main event; at GE an afterthought.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Since the NY World's Fair was held during 1964-65 and Walt first presented his vision for EPCOT in 1966, I doubt it could have been in the final sequence. You are probably thinking of the Carousel as it first opened in Disneyland. I was talking about the Carousel as it premiered at the NY World's Fair.> Correct-a-mundo, RoadTrip. I was under the impression that the city of the future was part of the World's Fair exhibit. That website of the 1964 World's Fair is phenomenal! Disney helped put together that whole pavilion in the time that it's taken to re-dress Tom Sawyer Island. yes, I'm exaggerating, but you get my drift.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I was at the World Fair in 1964. Were you?<< yes. >>Clearly, the Ford time Tunnel was more memorable to me than the GE Time Tunnel. At Ford it was the main event; at GE an afterthought.<< Which, in terms of degrees, is irrelevant. Either the originating statement 'COP has never been about the future' has merit or it doesn't. The follow-up statement 'Well, then, for NYWF64, COP was not about the future, yeah, that's the ticket!!' either has merit or it doesn't. As with Jim, I respectifully disagree.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Which, in terms of degrees, is irrelevant. Either the originating statement 'COP has never been about the future' has merit or it doesn't. The follow-up statement 'Well, then, for NYWF64, COP was not about the future, yeah, that's the ticket!!' either has merit or it doesn't.>> We can agree or disagree, respectfully or otherwise, and it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference. The Carousel of Progress, the four animatronic scenes around which the audience revolved, ended with a scene from the present (60's) time. Yes, the GE exhibit offered an additional attraction, the Skydome Spectacular, which involved the future. If you want to consider that part of the Carousel, fine. I don't. But it really doesn't make any difference one way or the other. Today's Carousel of Progress consists of nothing other than the four animatronic scenes. I see no reason to have one jump from the 40's to the future. You feel differently. I don't know that either of our opinions is more valid than the other. Although I was able to express mine without insulting you.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Yes, the GE exhibit offered an additional attraction, the Skydome Spectacular, which involved the future. If you want to consider that part of the Carousel, fine. I don't.<< The GE exhibit, Progressland, had multiple exhibits. The Skydome Spectacular was one of those and not part of COP. In order to reach the exhibits, officially, one must first view COP and use the "time tunnel" in the sixth theater of COP. The time tunnel was the Sixth Scene in COP. It was as much apart of COP as the revolving theaters. Far from an afterthought, it was quite a final bang and a necessary segway into the pavilion's Third Act. >> But it really doesn't make any difference one way or the other. Today's Carousel of Progress consists of nothing other than the four animatronic scenes. I see no reason to have one jump from the 40's to the future. You feel differently.<< I don't believe I said that I did. I have always advocated a completely new show script. The problem is that as much as they like to overuse the word "story" in their interviews for the travel channel (almost as much as 'magic' and 'dreams') up until now they have had no clue how to successfully execute one. At this point a new location would probably go a long way into breathing new life into this gem. Considering that the back 1/3 of the building is allegedly in disrepair with rot and mold, a broken hand is the least of it's current problems. The fact is that COP has always been about tomorrow. From the World's Fair, to Disneyland's Progress City, to WDW's Scene 4 set in tomorrow. It's one of the real testaments to and of Walt; it was conceived during a time when the country was embarking on a radical change in culture. Walt's team emphasized the importance of remembering the past while thinking of tomorrow. COP was undoubtedly a look to the past, but it was about the future. It was where we were going based on where we were coming from. The following decade brought a lot of great changes, but maybe if society had looked a little more to our past we could have minimized some of the growing pains. >>I don't know that either of our opinions is more valid than the other.<< I often have a problem with statements such as the above. It's like saying the guy who is working the neighborhood 7-Eleven has as valid an opinion on the Balkans as Colin Powell's. Or in this case, saying that Sue Bryan's opinion on themed attractions is equivalent to Randy Bright's.<<
